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| Thread ID: 46143 | 2004-06-15 00:43:00 | Discussion: What Do Newbies (And you) Need to Make the Switch to Linux?? | Chilling_Silence (9) | Press F1 |
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| 244569 | 2004-06-16 02:01:00 | >The user you refer to isn't using linux as such,he is using the apps running on linux,get him to do a system task with linux and no help from his suport then come back and blow your horn. Sorry Metla but I don't think he would be any better off in Windows. I have sorted out problems for users of Windows with a reasonable amount of experience so I don't think there will be any horn blowing on either side. |
mikebartnz (21) | ||
| 244570 | 2004-06-16 02:04:00 | Wanna bet? With windows you have to actually manually download the drivers. I dont: emerge nvidia-kernel emerge nvidia-glx I then log out out, run the command: mkxf86config and log back in running nVidia drivers. I have just had the software download, install, and configure the drivers for me. Three commands and a logout (The system still wasnt rebooted). I'd like to see that beaten! Of course, again we are back to the point of things being different between distro's, so while it's like this in mine, and something similar IIRC in Ark linux, I remember Fedora was easy, slackware was easy, but Lycoris was a bloody nightmare! |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 244571 | 2004-06-16 02:04:00 | >but every pro linux post in this thread is more one sided then a Green party get together) Mirror Mirror |
mikebartnz (21) | ||
| 244572 | 2004-06-16 02:07:00 | > > The user you refer to isn't using linux as such,he > is using the apps running on linux,get him to do a > system task with linux and no help from his suport > then come back and blow your horn. > Sorry Metla but I don't think he would be any better > off in Windows. I have sorted out problems for users > of Windows with a reasonable amount of experience so > I don't think there will be any horn blowing on > either side. Try again, I never said the same scenario wouldn't apply to windows, merely that someone using a program was no big deal, irrelevant of the platform it was running on. |
metla (154) | ||
| 244573 | 2004-06-16 02:17:00 | > > but every pro linux post in this thread is more one > sided then a Green party get together) > Mirror Mirror How so, am i on a campaign to open the worlds eyes to the beauty of windows?, do I extol its virtues without acknowledging its downsides? I could care less what anyone runs, it makes no difference to me, if the shoe fits then wear it. Linux is a collection of programs that certainly deserves accolades, but it ain’t the be all and end all of anything. It’s a quite ugly os, bundled with poor programs and has huge holes in its configuration, I will be surprised if it reaches the height of godliness that some claim before it collapses under its own weight, or someone gets around to writing some code that kills it. |
metla (154) | ||
| 244574 | 2004-06-16 02:22:00 | In metla's context he is right The original statement by SKT was "Let say you have a PC with no OS and a person that have no computer experience, do you think that persoon can have the PC up and running with Windows or Linux if you gave him to try both?" I would have said, no - the user wouldn't be able to install Windows or Linux without some help or experience. But if it was installed for him and we just plonk him in front of either machine (like my linux user) yeah eventually he'll learn to use either O/S without problem. But without Linux support? No, he'll face problem once he need to install Linux drivers or upgrade programs unless he gain sufficient experience to do it himself. But then as I have said earlier - Linux user friendliness is improving all the time, and one would be foolish not to keep an eye on its progress. |
nzStan (440) | ||
| 244575 | 2004-06-16 02:23:00 | > or someone gets around to writing some code that > kills it. Similar to this you mean: linuxreviews.org pcworld.co.nz I actually cant find an icon theme that's more appealing. And sure, its definately not for anybody. Why would the likes of Susan want to stray from her $700 odd investment in Windows software just to run it on Linux? Well.. If she doesnt have a virus problem, or stability issues... Then why? ;\ There's no reason.. If she's going to run all identical apps, then why bother? She may as well grab a copy of ReactOS ;-) |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 244576 | 2004-06-16 02:46:00 | As per previous posts. It does depend very much on your distro. Saying Linux this or Linux that is like saying how much you loathe DOS to the average XP user. For your information, installing most drivers is as easy as clicking on Synaptic and choosing your, new install, upgrade or roll back or whatever, wait for download and install, no un-necessary, extraneous bits are downloaded let alone installed. And it's completely GUI based but at least it tells you what it's doing as it goes along. I have had no dependency issues, nor do I have to troubleshoot .DLL issues. That's in a Debian based distro that has been optimised for desktop use and the nVidia drivers were that easy. As I've stated before, I'm moving my business to a Linux distro but, it's not a very complicated business as far as computer needs go. The only hurdle right now is choice (aka making a decision) and graphics software in that Gimp is too steep a learning curve at the mo for me to be entirely comfortable and I haven't quiet figured out my camera yet. I'll keep windows for games and the odd programme, definitely not for surfing, email and networking (hmm, that last one, online games maybe ;) Terry, Is the default install routine in Xandros the Xandros Network thing otherwise you hit the CLI? If that's correct I can see how it is limiting. Debian has a huge support for all sorts of app's and devices. Mind you if you can, at the end of it, it may not be Xandros anymore but a TP special. Cheers Murray P |
Murray P (44) | ||
| 244577 | 2004-06-16 03:03:00 | which comes back to the point of why install nvidia drivers under linux at all?, anything over and above inbuilt graphics is complety wasted in a linux enviorment. as is any advanced audio card,video editing card,tv cards to a large extent,and i have no idea if linux takes advantage of the features built into chipsets,especially in regards to performance. |
metla (154) | ||
| 244578 | 2004-06-16 03:09:00 | How about device drivers? As I mentioned before :P An average end user doesn't want the hassle to find (if there is one to begin with) all the drivers to make his devices work . Say a person bought a scanner, digital cam and a web cam and there's no Linux drivers on the CD . He/She needs to go online to search all those drivers in order to make them run in Linux . I think for us or people that loves playing around with PCs should be fine, but for a joe average home user, he/she rather just go with the easier route . |
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