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245118 2004-06-16 08:22:00 I am sorry that Bruce locked the other thread.

I purchased for my son an educational suite of programs, one of which requires the CD to be in the machine to play the game.

I emailed the supplier to query this, pointing that little hands could damage the CD, even though dire threats have been made in an attempt to discourage the practice of touching things that were not to be touched.

The supplier replied "make a copy of the CD in case the first one is damaged thusly".

Kind of makes a mockery of "thou shall not copy"? 		Chris Randal (521)
245119 2004-06-16 08:37:00 Maybe educating son in the use of CD,instead of dire threats,would yield better results ;) dumdum (4965)
245120 2004-06-16 09:39:00 >>Maybe educating son in the use of CD,instead of dire threats,would yield better results
Try telling a 5 year old to not touch the sensitive side. :O 		Dolby Digital (160)
245121 2004-06-16 09:55:00 Sounds to me that:

a) The supplier has suggested that it is ok to copy the disc
b) They don't expect any difficulties in doing so (ie copy protection)

Have you got Nero or another other CD burning software available? (XP has built in burning facilities too). Try doing a straight out copy to another disc and see what happens, then it doesn't matter if your child damages it as you hold the original.

Alternatively, download one of the CD image making programs such as Alcohol 120% or 52% to create an image that can run off your hard drive as a 'virtual CD'.

http://www.alcohol-software.com/ 		Jester (13)
245122 2004-06-16 10:19:00 > Alternatively, download one of the CD image making
> programs such as Alcohol 120% or 52% to create an
> image that can run off your hard drive as a 'virtual
> CD'.
>
> http://www.alcohol-software.com/

Hi Jester,
How does that work? Do you mean that you no longer have to insert a CD? Do you create a special folder to store the images?
Defineately sounds like the bees knees - especially with a 10 year old boy about the house 		Baldy (26)
245123 2004-06-16 10:38:00 Alcohol can copy an image of the CD, then make another drive on your PC, which you can mount the image. Then, you can play the game without using the CD. The normal shortcut (eg, on desktop) will generally start the game in the normal manner, if the correct image is 'mounted'. If not, right clicking the drive and selecting 'Mount Image' will re-load it.

Here is what an image looks like in Alcohol 120

sal.neoburn.net


And this is in "My Computer"

sal.neoburn.net


J
:D 		Jester (13)
245124 2004-06-16 10:57:00 > Sounds to me that:
>
> a) The supplier has suggested that it is ok to copy
> the disc

But - does the "supplier" actually hold the copyright ownership? .
I doubt it, therefore its not theirs to give away .

This is akin to your local car franchise telling you its OK to break the speed limit driving the car they sold you .

Would you believe them as well? 		godfather (25)
245125 2004-06-16 11:08:00 I may be out of my depth on this one, however, my interpretation of Section 45 of the Consumer Guarantees Act 1993 is that, if the supplier says it's ok, it's ok .

45 . Liability for representations—

(1)Where goods assigned or procured to be assigned to the supplier by a person acting in trade (in this section referred to as the dealer) are supplied to a consumer, every representation made to the consumer by the dealer, or anyone acting on behalf of the dealer, in connection with or in the course of negotiations leading to the supply of the goods shall give the consumer—

(a)As against the supplier, subject to section 46 of this Act, the same rights as the consumer would have had under this Act if the representation had been made by the supplier personally:

I know, in Insurance Law, it's similar, if an agent, representing the insurer says something, it is as if the insurer has said it (section 10 of the ILRA 1977) . This may have similar conontations .

J 		Jester (13)
245126 2004-06-16 22:54:00 The other thread was in relationship to DVD movies, not software . The Copyright Act makes these provisions:

Exceptions to Copyright
There are a number of exceptions to the rights outlined in the Act . These are called "permitted acts" . These reflect instances where Parliament has determined that the wider public interest, or the interests of particular groups, makes it necessary to restrict or limit the rights granted to copyright owners .

Permitted acts include:

"fair dealing" - for the purposes of criticism, review, news reporting, research or private study;

limited copying or dealing in the work for particular educational purposes;

limited copying or dealing in the work by librarians or archivists in specific circumstances;

exceptions in respect of certain activities by the Crown;

copying for the purposes of making copies that are in Braille;

subject to certain conditions, the making of a back-up copy of a computer program;

and

recording a television programme for the purpose of making a complaint or for "time shifting" purposes so that a programme can be watched at a more convenient time .

There is no general exception to copyright infringement for private of domestic copying, including "format shifting", of legitimately purchased recordings from one medium to another to allow playing or viewing via other devices .

In terms of backing up software:

Section 80 of the Copyright Act states:

80 . Back-up copy of computer program---
(1) Subject to subsection (3) of this section, copyright in a computer program is not infringed by the making of a copy of the computer program if---
(a) The copy is made by or on behalf of the lawful user of the copy of the program (in this section referred to as the ``original copy'') from which the first-mentioned copy is made; and
(b) The copy is made solely for the purpose of being used by or on behalf of the lawful user of the original copy---
(i) Instead of the original copy in order to preserve the original copy for use if the copy is lost, destroyed, or rendered unusable; or
(ii) If the original copy is lost, destroyed, or rendered unusable .
(2) If the original copy is lost, destroyed, or rendered unusable, the copy made pursuant to subsection (1) of this section shall be deemed for the purposes of this section to be the original copy .
(3) Subsection (1) of this section does not apply to the making of a copy of a computer program---
(a) From an infringing copy of the computer program; or
(b) Contrary to an express direction by or on behalf of the owner of the copyright in the computer program given to the lawful user of the original copy not later than the time when the lawful user of the original copy acquired that original copy .

Now the first thread I locked was specifically about DVD movies, not software and copying these movies is specifically, in NZ law, illegal at this point in time, so we cannot allow the forum to be used to provide informtion on how to do this . I trust you all understand this and will respect it . 		Biggles (121)
245127 2004-06-16 23:44:00 OK Jester, how do you manage to copy that info? Could be very handy. I'm trying to copy a list of my running aplications for Mejobloggs but can't. Winston001 (3612)
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