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| Thread ID: 46280 | 2004-06-19 00:48:00 | Off Topic: Silly silly mailpeople... | Growly (6) | Press F1 |
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| 245933 | 2004-06-20 11:18:00 | I stand corrected and humbly appologize. However I do not think that at 14 Yrs old Growly would be doing things like that yet. and by the time he does there would be a lot more letters after his name and half a degree, if the way he carries on is anything to go by. |
Wayne H (1736) | ||
| 245934 | 2004-06-20 11:34:00 | Personally, My beliefs are that the piece of paper is only proof that you can do what the exam requires. For example, if you sit through an 8 hour grueling RHCE Exam, then you can safely say that: I can install Redhat, Configure BIND etc etc etc.... If you sit Joe Bloggs A++ Certification, while it isnt NZQA, it is still proof that you can do XYZ, although I personally would only count the NZQA Certs because they are proven to be a degree of competancy. Then again, you can still some skill, without the piece of paper. WTF> What's up with your comments man? I dont think Growly's ever bitten your head off... Live and let live. Growly> Bummer about the Cert, hope you get it, and your Case replaced! Chill. |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 245935 | 2004-06-21 06:05:00 | I still love you guys. I understand what you say WTF - I know many people think lowly of the Comptia exams... and I have to admit, It was easy. This didn't take away the moths of fretting an worrying, or the the fact that I had other exams to study for, but it was easier than I thought. I would compare it to the CCNA exam - which is rather annoying because some schools offer CCNA for free. Now I want CCIE.... |
Growly (6) | ||
| 245936 | 2004-06-21 13:03:00 | There is good money to be made out of fake certificates. | Baldy (26) | ||
| 245937 | 2004-06-21 18:10:00 | > There is good money to be made out of fake > certificates. ..... and a 'Graphic Artist' would know about these things.... |
cappuccino (1800) | ||
| 245938 | 2004-06-21 20:16:00 | > > There is good money to be made out of fake > > certificates. > > > ..... and a 'Graphic Artist' would know about these > things.... > FYI Polly - Its been big news here (Some news dosen't get as far as The Netherlands) tvnz.co.nz |
Baldy (26) | ||
| 245939 | 2004-06-21 22:45:00 | > I have also had the questionable pleasure of working > with a number of people who love to sign their e-mail > "Joe Bloggs A+" as if they were a Doctor or of some > other importance other than self . IMHO, becoming Dr . WTF M . D . or whatever medical qualification you are studying for would make working with you a questionable pleasure too, if you maintain your present abrasive attitude . It is not the qualification that earns you respect WTF, that is just the passport to your chosen occupation; it is the way you relate to your fellow man . It is the humanity, patience and understanding you show, your ability to empathise with patients (clients) who can't adequately explain their problem to you but desperately need your help, and your ability to maintain that high standard when dealing with every stratum of society from the unlovably wealthy to the unlovably poor that makes you a professional and earns you respect . On your present performances, which, although often skilled, are consistently abrasive, I would neither employ you nor consult with you for reasons of attitude unbecoming and unprofessional . That's just my opinion of course, but I know a little of what I am talking about through nearly 40 years of providing personal service to clients across the full breadth of New Zealand society, from the incredibly rich to the unbelievably poor . I have met absolute bastards and delightfully charming people at both ends and in the middle, but not once have I departed from professional standards of courtesy and service . Why would I? My feelings were personal and my income depended on my ability to separate personal from business and maintain my professionalism . Your attitude is illustrated below: > I am yet to meet anyone with an A+ qualification that > has had any really impressive computer skills or > knowledge, even rudimentary at that . Hyperbole doesn't prove any points WTF, but your choice of language does . In your attempts to put down those who study for A+ or any other qualification you deem to be beneath you, it appears you lost touch with the english language . Rudiment n . elements or first principles of knowledge or some subject, not advanced or developed (hence rudimentary) . I possess rudimentary skills with computers, I am not a novice but nor am I anywhere near the standard needed to sit A+ . Maybe, just maybe these A+ people know a few things you don't . They didn't get their qualification by not having a better than rudimentary knowledge . Knowledge is important WTF, but the manner with which the man (or woman) carries it is even more important, because they are the window through which that knowledge must shine . Knowledge should not be coloured by the personal prejudices and attitudes of the holder . If you plan a career in which your ability to relate to and communicate directly with your fellow man is important, I'd seriously consider getting professional counselling to overcome your negative attitudes . Otherwise they will pop out when you least expect them and may consign your carreer to the back rooms: "Clever man but can't get on with patients . " > I'd be happy to be proved wrong, however I only draw > on personal experience of which none is positive . Likewise, I agree 100% with this statement, in fact in the context of this thread and the issues it embraces, I endorse it wholeheartedly . Learn to suffer fools gladly WTF, your future may depend on that ability . Cheers Billy 8-{) |
Billy T (70) | ||
| 245940 | 2004-06-21 23:12:00 | Good post Billy. Lots of commonsense. I don't want to prolong this thread but I have a soft spot for WTF. I think his point is that some of these qualifications come very cheaply. In the sense that the courses are shallow and their educational value is low. No fault of the students who feel justifiably proud of their achievement. IT in particular is sexy, so lots of Polytechs etc try to teach it. They don't make the entry standard too hard because they want the enrollments. Thus is the currency of our education debased. :( |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
| 245941 | 2004-06-21 23:17:00 | > It is not the qualification that earns you respect > <snipped > , that is just the passport to your chosen > occupation; it is the way you relate to your fellow > man . It is the humanity, patience and understanding > you show, your ability to empathise with <snipped > clients who can't adequately explain their problem > to you but desperately need your help, and your > ability to maintain that high standard when dealing > with every stratum of society from the unlovably > wealthy to the unlovably poor that makes you a > professional and earns you respect . Billy, can I have permission to copy your quote? Man, I want to pin this up on a noticeboard to remind my department on its Customer Service attitude . |
nzStan (440) | ||
| 245942 | 2004-06-22 00:07:00 | > but not once have I > departed from professional standards of courtesy and > service. Why would I? My feelings were personal and > my income depended on my ability to separate personal > from business and maintain my professionalism. There's no secret about success. Did you ever know a successful man who didn't tell you about it? Kin Hubbard (1868 - 1930) If A is success in life, then A equals x plus y plus z. Work is x; y is play; and z is keeping your mouth shut. Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) |
Jim B (153) | ||
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