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| Thread ID: 135989 | 2014-01-07 02:22:00 | Linux Mint a good alternative for "oldies" ?? | Misty (368) | Press F1 |
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| 1364529 | 2014-01-11 22:07:00 | That's because for all it knows, the package list was up to date. I don't think there is any mechanism for determining if the list is outdated other than checking for a newer one, which you didn't tell it to do. All that it was told to do was to fetch a package, the version of which was no longer on the server, and it gave an error to that effect. Not to sure if this will read right -- But thats why its not for beginners or people who dont know all the ins and outs. If a person does something you shouldn't have to double check each time to make sure you have all the latest updates for it to work. Take windows -- There are many people who dont run updates, yet things still work. The error message was 404, which indicates the item or server you want to connect to is not there for what ever reason. It was there. Its basic reasoning for a 404 error en.wikipedia.org the client was able to communicate with the server, but the server could not find what was requested. So the server was there and so was the file, yet the error says it wasn't = incorrect error message. The error given was no internet connection which was false, nowhere does it say the program needs updating. Only those who know about it would know to do so. Maybe the command should have some sort of script embedded to auto check for updates when run. Even the gui version doesn't check and comes back with the same error. |
wainuitech (129) | ||
| 1364530 | 2014-01-11 22:26:00 | That's stupid, the GUI Package Manager _should_ be updatong it before doing anything. | Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 1364531 | 2014-01-11 22:39:00 | if android doesn't meet your definition of mainstream and/or linux; what does? We are talking PCs here, the only versions of android available for PC are a few custom versions on specific netbooks and a desktop version that's still in development (unless I've missed something ?). Android is mainstream on Tablets & phones not PCs, that may change. Also while android may be based on linux I think it's different enough that most would agree it's separate OS. |
dugimodo (138) | ||
| 1364532 | 2014-01-11 23:00:00 | That's stupid, the GUI Package Manager _should_ be updatong it before doing anything. Thats what I would have thought as well, didn't appear to other wise the problem wouldn't have existed. Windows does the opposite it auto updates the moment is connected to the internet ;) |
wainuitech (129) | ||
| 1364533 | 2014-01-11 23:03:00 | We are talking PCs here, the only versions of android available for PC are a few custom versions on specific netbooks and a desktop version that's still in development (unless I've missed something ?). Android is mainstream on Tablets & phones not PCs, that may change. Also while android may be based on linux I think it's different enough that most would agree it's separate OS. Thought I'd try Android, downloaded it, and while it did install in A VM OK ( kind of) you have to use the arrow keys to navigate, AND at the very last screen it says "tap the circle to continue" Errrrrrrr Not a touch screen and the mouse doesn't work :( |
wainuitech (129) | ||
| 1364534 | 2014-01-11 23:41:00 | Not to sure if this will read right -- But thats why its not for beginners or people who dont know all the ins and outs. If a person does something you shouldn't have to double check each time to make sure you have all the latest updates for it to work. No, you don't need to be an expert on "all the ins and outs", but as with anything, a couple of basic bits of knowlege help. Take windows -- There are many people who dont run updates, yet things still work. Same. It still works without updates, but if you want to do updates or installations, the first step is to sync your local list of available packages with the list on the repo server (which may have changed since your last sync). The error message was 404, which indicates the item or server you want to connect to is not there for what ever reason. It was there. Its basic reasoning for a 404 error en.wikipedia.org So the server was there and so was the file, yet the error says it wasn't = incorrect error message. No, the reqeusted file was not there. The error given was no internet connection which was false, nowhere does it say the program needs updating. No, it said "check your internet connection", as *something* had happened during the process, which it then reports the actual error message (the 404). Only those who know about it would know to do so. Maybe the command should have some sort of script embedded to auto check for updates when run. Even the gui version doesn't check and comes back with the same error. There are "update notifiers" that a lot of releases include by default that do automatically update the package lists regularly (and notify you of new/updated package availability). TBH, you are doing the typical "windows power user" approach to a new OS (as did I when I first started) - "it's wrong" - "that's stupid" - "it's not supposed to be like that" - "why can't it be like windows...", rather than asking "why is it done like that", "how does that work", "what are the pro's/con's of doing it this way". Clueless windows users generally have a much easier path adapting to a new system, as the preconcieved ideas about how it "should" work aren't there, as it all happens by magic anyway, and learning a couple of new "spells" that make this PC work is no big assault on their existing belief system :). |
fred_fish (15241) | ||
| 1364535 | 2014-01-12 00:30:00 | Come On Fred, look at some of your reasoning, its crazy. Examples: No, it said "check your internet connection", as *something* had happened during the process, which it then reports the actual error message (the 404). The internet was working 100%. 404 means file / page not found. PLEASE show every one EXACTLY where in the error it states the program needs updating ? There are "update notifiers" that a lot of releases include by default that do automatically update the package lists regularly (and notify you of new/updated package availability). Obviously the updates weren't working, other wise they would have. You make comments about windows user actions, but going by all your responses you have to be a bloody mind reader and dont take notice of any error messages wording, instead you have to look at something different as the error message actually means something else. Theres a person here right now, she uses a MAC no windows -- I showed her the error message and asked what she thought it meant, she said theres no internet connection according to it, ( which thee obviously is) then just showed her your replies, lets just say I wont say exactly what she said ( the swearing filter would block), but it was along the lines of If that is how you have to think to use Linux, then no wonder many people cant and wont use it. Basically if you get a message from the OS, then dont actually believe what it says . |
wainuitech (129) | ||
| 1364536 | 2014-01-12 06:58:00 | another vote for chromeOS if android doesn't meet your definition of mainstream and/or linux; what does? Sure there is an awful lot of Android around and it does have a Linux kernel - but it is not traditional Linux in the sense that it cannot run most desktop/laptop applications that are useful to people using traditional computers. So in that sense I do not see Android as mainstream. |
johnd (85) | ||
| 1364537 | 2014-01-12 07:59:00 | Come On Fred, look at some of your reasoning, its crazy. Examples: The internet was working 100%. 404 means file / page not found. PLEASE show every one EXACTLY where in the error it states the program needs updating ? Obviously the updates weren't working, other wise they would have. You make comments about windows user actions, but going by all your responses you have to be a bloody mind reader and dont take notice of any error messages wording, instead you have to look at something different as the error message actually means something else. Theres a person here right now, she uses a MAC no windows -- I showed her the error message and asked what she thought it meant, she said theres no internet connection according to it, ( which thee obviously is) then just showed her your replies, lets just say I wont say exactly what she said ( the swearing filter would block), but it was along the lines of If that is how you have to think to use Linux, then no wonder many people cant and wont use it. Basically if you get a message from the OS, then dont actually believe what it says . Geez Wainui, you're sounding a bit combative - is this getting the better of you? Despite your apparent difficulty with reading comprehension, you have correctly identified that the error message does not say the program needs updating. PLEASE show everyone EXACTLY where anyone claimed it did. Again, it says (quite accurately) that the file you requested from the server is not there. Also, you are entirely correct in that, without the benefit of knowing about updating your package lists first (which most beginner package tools do automatically - I have no idea whether Zorin is supposed to be set up that way by default or not), you are a bit mystified as to why you are getting this error. This is part of the learning curve where you ask or read the instructions or consult a search engine. Regardless of the system, new users are going to encounter situations like this and WILL need a bit of help or instruction when starting out. Tell me again how you make a living out of supporting an OS that is so easy to use and doesn't have these problems? Presumably you didn't show your Mac using friend this thread (pressf1.pcworld.co.nz) and request her opinion of that error message too? |
fred_fish (15241) | ||
| 1364538 | 2014-01-12 08:09:00 | Come On Fred, look at some of your reasoning, its crazy. Examples: The internet was working 100%. 404 means file / page not found. PLEASE show every one EXACTLY where in the error it states the program needs updating ? Obviously the updates weren't working, other wise they would have. You make comments about windows user actions, but going by all your responses you have to be a bloody mind reader and dont take notice of any error messages wording, instead you have to look at something different as the error message actually means something else. Theres a person here right now, she uses a MAC no windows -- I showed her the error message and asked what she thought it meant, she said theres no internet connection according to it, ( which thee obviously is) then just showed her your replies, lets just say I wont say exactly what she said ( the swearing filter would block), but it was along the lines of If that is how you have to think to use Linux, then no wonder many people cant and wont use it. Basically if you get a message from the OS, then dont actually believe what it says . I had the same problem on 3 windows 8 laptops. Internet explorer says no internet connection. Yet auto update work and so did the antivirus update. All sorted now, once I got around MS shitty way of handling **** |
plod (107) | ||
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