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Thread ID: 135989	2014-01-07 02:22:00	Linux Mint a good alternative for "oldies" ??	Misty (368)	Press F1

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1364509	2014-01-09 12:16:00	People who use and know Linux will say its easy, but that's because they have learnt, and good on them for doing so. :thumbs: Often you'll get a reply something like, that shouldn't happen etc. Theres been several times mentioned in this thread how easy its to install, yet when its pointed out it WONT on some hardware, its funny how no one can actually give a reason why it wont install, and a fix,esp on hardware that runs everything else thrown at it, its very convent to ignore or goes into the to hard basket. ( not having a go or anything just pointing out some facts) :) Exactly. I've been using it for 11 years now, supporting it in home and enterprise environments (Not just small businesses, we're talking nationwide "chains" here). I know that because it's different, it's immediately on the back foot for users to adopt it. Anything, big or small, that gets in the way, is a big no-no. And your reasoning behind Libre office vs MS office also holds true. Given Linux is free, why is the whole world not running it? There's a myriad of excuses, but usually because it "ends up in the too-hard basket".	Chilling_Silence (9)
1364510	2014-01-09 12:51:00	There's a myriad of excuses, but usually because it "ends up in the too-hard basket". I use it because windows ended up in MY "too hard basket" ... :)	fred_fish (15241)
1364511	2014-01-09 20:25:00	good oooo lets see if this can get fixed. A copy of the command you enter and the actual terminal output should shed a bit more light on what you are probably doing wrong. Had to look it up again yesterday as Its not something I'd do all the time, the main command given on help sites is: sudo apt-get install samba also tried sudo apt-get install samba smbfs ( suggested on one other site, same error) If trying to install samba via the file sharing options it comes up with the following error, which is the same as the terminal error: 5456 The internet is working perfectly as last night I installed shutter ( screen capture - used to getthe above pic) via a terminal and that went straight in: sudo apt-get install shutter Now a more of a question -- Does anyone know why the function to share, samba is not included by default in some Distros --Seems a bit silly as folder sharing these days is very common and required ? To answer Johns question, the Distros were fine uptill 10.10, anything after that is when the problems began, including Mint, both cinnamon & mate. BUT after reading you post relating to Graphics, a thought -- Maybe the System was to "new", its got a i5 CPU, and Asus P8H77-M LE Board 8 GB RAM, ( real powerful / High spec eh ;) ) didn't matter if the onboard graphics were used or (one of several cards its had) GTS450. Older less powerful PC's seemed to work reasonably fine. So I just thought to "Dumb it down" Its now got a VERY old PCI-E card, Geforce G100, only has one Output working the VGA, the DVI is stuffed - Well Thats works :horrified Just fired up 13.10 Ubuntu. Seems the OS cant handle the more modern hardware on this particular PC - which is stupid because it runs everything else from XP -W8.1,Windows Server OS's etc. Its basically my "play and test" machine.	wainuitech (129)
1364512	2014-01-09 21:54:00	Basically it's trying to install an older version of Samba that's been updated, and so it can't find the older "package" because it no longer exists on the server. sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install samba Alternatively, just use the package manager GUI and it'll do that for you :)	Chilling_Silence (9)
1364513	2014-01-09 22:44:00	Yes you must always update the package lists before doing anything or you will likely run into trouble.	Agent_24 (57)
1364514	2014-01-09 23:05:00	Now a more of a question -- Does anyone know why the function to share, samba is not included by default in some Distros --Seems a bit silly as folder sharing these days is very common and required ? smbclient (allowing you to browse other shares) usually is. The samba suite is for sharing stuff from your PC, and not having it installed by default means not running unnecessary services and open ports for those that don't need it. This is up to the particular distro as to what they think their target audience will want by default. Also SMB is not the only network filesystem - it's just what windows uses (and it's a complex, partially documented and frequently changed protocol). Other options exist, like NFS (I think win can do this now too), and SSHFS (which is secure and can be used to mount remote filesystems over the net as well as locally).	fred_fish (15241)
1364515	2014-01-09 23:32:00	For your info. I didn't know until recently that "sudo" means 'Super User Do', which means the equivalent of working permanently as a Limited User if you were using Windows then the Super User status is equivalent to an Administrator, one of the reasons why Linux is inherently secure.	zqwerty (97)
1364516	2014-01-09 23:59:00	Yes you must always update the package lists before doing anything or you will likely run into trouble. See, it's foibles like this which catch out the average (and not-so-average) user. I used Ubuntu many years ago - E F and G it was, whatever their names were - on an older machine, but moved back to Windows when legacy IDE support was removed from the kernel as this instantly rendered the machine unusable. For those of you wondering, yes I spent approx. 2 weeks hunting for a solution. Obviously the easiest solution was to reinstall Windows which still supports IDE hard disks and this is what I did. Any OS which removes support for a legacy device that is still fairly common is simply shooting itself in the foot. And your reasoning behind Libre office vs MS office also holds true. Given Linux is free, why is the whole world not running it? Easy. Exchange support. Outlook runs out of the box with Exchange, no fancy setup, special configuration, etc. It just works. Try getting any other mail program to do the same - nuh uh; or if the other program does it won't be the free or "Community" edition, it'll be the "Professional" paid-for edition. Hence, if you're going to pay for something, it may as well be Outlook. And if you're getting Outlook, you may as well get the entire Office caboodle - simply because it's easier to do so.	Antmannz (6583)
1364517	2014-01-10 00:43:00	See, it's foibles like this which catch out the average (and not-so-average) user.Well, it's a bit like taking your pants down before you take a dump - most people get the hang of it pretty fast ;) I used Ubuntu many years ago - E F and G it was, whatever their names were - on an older machine, but moved back to Windows when legacy IDE support was removed from the kernel as this instantly rendered the machine unusable. For those of you wondering, yes I spent approx. 2 weeks hunting for a solution. Obviously the easiest solution was to reinstall Windows which still supports IDE hard disks and this is what I did. Any OS which removes support for a legacy device that is still fairly common is simply shooting itself in the foot. Dunno what freaky kernel you were using, but IDE support is still very much present... Easy. Exchange support. Outlook runs out of the box with Exchange, no fancy setup, special configuration, etc. It just works. Try getting any other mail program to do the same - nuh uh; or if the other program does it won't be the free or "Community" edition, it'll be the "Professional" paid-for edition. Hence, if you're going to pay for something, it may as well be Outlook. And if you're getting Outlook, you may as well get the entire Office caboodle - simply because it's easier to do so. Well if you're paying for Exchange, yes you will probably want to get the most value out of it, by paying yet more to buy the only mail client that is allowed to work properly with it... :lol:	fred_fish (15241)
1364518	2014-01-10 00:51:00	I have learnt to use Linux in the past but I haven't been using it, forgot most of it by now :D People want ease and convenience. Maybe something they also use at school / work. For my parents, we have a 2003 era Dell machine here and a HP unit, the CRT monitor died. But I think they are not IT literate, it would just be easier to get an iPad2 than even a Android tablet for them. For them they didn't know where you can click or cannot click with the mouse ..... They would probably just use the web browser to read news and check the weather with the weather update thingy, write an email but nowadays probably just run WeChat or Skype etc.	Nomad (952)
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