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Thread ID: 133464 2013-06-03 13:24:00 everything you have been told is a lie Mirddes (10) PC World Chat
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1344633 2013-06-04 04:57:00 Best (worst?) song title of all time: "How can you believe me when I tell you that I love you when you know I've been a liar all my life?"

Worst lie ever? This guy phoned up a radio station when I was in England. The presenter was asking for listeners to call in and tell their worst. The guy said his dad told him, when he was a kid, that when he hears the ice-cream truck's music, it means they've run out of ice-cream. Cruel!
Greg (193)
1344634 2013-06-04 11:44:00 So 1+1=2 is a lie?
Only if the values of '1' are not actually 1, hence a+a=2, where the a's are 1's.
Technically if the value of 1 is one, the 1+1=2,
else
Window.
SanChippy (16951)
1344635 2013-06-04 11:57:00 Only if the values of '1' are not actually 1, hence a+a=2, where the a's are 1's.
Technically if the value of 1 is one, the 1+1=2,
else
Window.

What then must we conclude?
Cicero (40)
1344636 2013-06-05 08:41:00 So 1+1=2 is a lie?

It could be 10!
tutaenui (1724)
1344637 2013-06-05 09:22:00 It could be 10!

It could also be 3 :p
pcuser42 (130)
1344638 2013-06-05 11:02:00 What then must we conclude?
That the use of 1 as a number is not as ubiquitous as it seems, as the number '1' in itself, it would be better to assume that '1' is the first item in a set of Natural Numbers, depending on the numbering system, as well as what we would call '1'. So in this example:
4,3,1,8,6,2,9,5,7,10...
Four would be '1' in our system, but in others could actually be '3', which would be our equivalent of '1'

If alternate universes existed, then the counting system might just be 2,1,3,4,5,6,9,7...
But those values would hold the equivalent of the corresponding number in OUR language of numbers.
So think of these values as not the real values, but of the values that they are placed in order of the list
Seven, Nine, Six, One, Eight... etc.

Seven is One in this case, at least according to out understanding of chronological order, and the way that our numbering system works.
So technically this is true in all cases, if we think about it laterally in the name of "Alternate Universes":
1=3=4=8=6=2=9=5=7=10...
And so on.

In Conclusion
Language is a complex thing. And so are numbering systems.
Ask a Mathematics Teacher, Professor etc, how to prove that 1 is actually '1' will bring up interesting discussions...
That reminds me...
SanChippy (16951)
1344639 2013-06-05 22:18:00 Not sure what Mr Spock would think of that lot. Cicero (40)
1344640 2013-06-06 02:23:00 It could be 10!

11 surely ?

And I always thought 1 was used to represent a single item because it evolved from the simple practice of making a scratch or line to keep a count of things. It also looks like a finger commonly used to count on, i.e. 1 finger looks like the number 1. The rest of the symbols that are fairly abitrary but I'd expect 1 to be a fairly universall.
dugimodo (138)
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