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Thread ID: 46589	2004-06-29 04:46:00	Knoppix 3.1 "Live cd" help	J ZEP (336)	Press F1

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248333	2004-06-29 11:46:00	> The Knoppix (http://www.knoppix.org) FAQ. > ;) > > Just a thought :) Now who would RTFM?! ]:) Next thing you'll be trying to tell me to look at man pages ;-) Ive decided there's one man page every linux distro should have: man woman :D Chill. *Yeah, Lame I know :p	Chilling_Silence (9)
248334	2004-06-29 21:45:00	> Now who would RTFM?! ]:) > > Next thing you'll be trying to tell me to look at man pages Yeah, it's just not done, is it Chill? ;-) :p :D > Ive decided there's one man page every linux distro should have: > > man woman Huh? I thought it was # woman ? Hmmm, that didn't work.... maybe the space needs to be removed? :p :D	dudess_on_a_mish (4468)
248335	2004-06-30 00:54:00	> How'd you figure that? Google? Yep, pretty much, after alot of reading over 2 nights... wasn't coming up with many new options to try :-(, finally hit on the right forum last night :-). Thanks for all your help as always Chill, most appreciated :-). Now onto the next thing/prob :D. So i got it to boot finally etc... but i think the old system just hasn't got enough grunt, which wasn't totally unexpected ;-). Basically it just isn't very stable, e.g i tend to loose the cogwheel/start menu thing unfortunately. Oh well never mind :-). My next question is: Would it run any better if i was to Install a distro? Perhaps an early one that isn't too resource hungry? Anybody have anything in mind that might do the trick? Question No 2: I also noticed that when i booted it on the other computer i couldn't get the modem detected or working - i am guessing this means it has a win modem, which is no go with Linux? Says it is a "Conexant SoftK56" is that a winmodem? I tried all the obvious things like changing the selected modem etc... tried all the options, either got an unable to detect kind of message, or busy message? I will try booting on my other computer later and see how it goes with that modem, but i really wanted to set it up the old puter if poss ;-). As i loose the the start on the "old" system, i haven't had a chance to see if it will detect the modem in that one yet either, unfortunately. Is there any other way to get into the KPPP settings without having the Start menu? Probably pointless anyway, but i would like to know if it is going to detect the modem on the old system "before" i consider an install i think :-). Am i right in thinking you can put the path in the browser, to get to KPPP? Thanks for the help so far :-)	J ZEP (336)
248336	2004-06-30 01:21:00	Hi J ZEP :) Good to see you enjoying your play with Knoppix. >So i got it to boot finally etc... but i think the old system just hasn't got enough grunt, which wasn't totally unexpected. Running Linux from a Live-CD will always be much slower than a hard drive installation. So if you are experiencing slow reaction times to clicks etc and programs opening up, that is normal. > Basically it just isn't very stable, e.g i tend to loose the cogwheel/start menu thing unfortunately. Oh well never mind . That is the KMenu (Knoppix uses KDE). What do you mean by losing it? Does it vanish completely off the desktop along with the bottom taskbar? You are using the minimum recommended amount of RAM for Knoppix and KDE, so this may be behind a few problems if you open up a too many programs at once. >My next question is: Would it run any better if i was to Install a distro? Perhaps an early one that isn't too resource hungry? Anybody have anything in mind that might do the trick? Linux will run better off an hard drive installation (speed). It is possible to add some more RAM to your machine? This will widen your options to which distro you can install. >Question No 2: I also noticed that when i booted it on the other computer i couldn't get the modem detected or working - i am guessing this means it has a win modem, which is no go with Linux? Says it is a "Conexant SoftK56" is that a winmodem? Depending on what model of Conexant modem that is, you may be able to find drivers here (www.linuxant.com). You cannot install and use drivers for your modem unless you have a hard drive installation. If it looks like your modem will be a problem, you can get Linux compatible modems reasonably cheaply which have pre-compiled drivers available.	Jen C (20)
248337	2004-06-30 06:05:00	Hi Jen :-), i had a feeling you would be along with some helpful ideas at some stage ;-) . Thanks :-) . > Running Linux from a Live-CD will always be much > slower than a hard drive installation . So if you are > experiencing slow reaction times to clicks etc and > programs opening up, that is normal . Yes i had presumed that would be the case too ;-) . > That is the KMenu (Knoppix uses KDE) . What do you > mean by losing it? Does it vanish completely off the > desktop along with the bottom taskbar? Well umm, lol, i am not even getting anything open :^O, basically it loads the desktop etc . . . then when i try to click on the "KMenu" the whole taskbar disappears and then most times, it pretty much freeezes up unfortunatley . By the way i am not clicking the hide arrow thing for the taskbar/start menu, when this happens ;-) . > Linux will run better off an hard drive installation > (speed) . It is possible to add some more RAM to your > machine? This will widen your options to which > distro you can install . I guessed that would be the case too ;-), however i am still thinking that this old system won't have enough grunt maybe . . . No doubt it will need more ram, at least, i have only just put the 96mb that is in it now in, compliments of Barnabos B-), as previously I didn't realise it was a ram problem with it, as had none to test with . > You cannot install and use drivers for your modem > unless you have a hard drive installation . I had also guessed that would be the case to :-), being a "Live cd" . Overall i am really not very surprised to have problems with the specs of this computer being as they are, however i was hoping it would do the job for a learning system :-( . I must admit my expectations now of how well it would even run, with these kind of specs if installed, aren't very high :_| . I read the link Chill posted a few weeks back, which also made me think this may not be a good system spec . wise for newer Linux distros?? Whereas, i had always presumed the "older" distros would run sweet as on an old system? May be a case of finding an old distro that will run o . k on these specs . now i think:-) . Here ( . pcworld . co . nz/thread . jsp?forum=1&thread=48234&message=280336&q=#280336" target="_blank">pressf1 . pcworld . co . nz) Linked to here ( . osnews . com/story . php?news_id=7324" target="_blank">www . osnews . com) However - Forrest 44's post was rather encouraging, reading the specs he was using, in comparison to what i have, so maybe there is hope yet? Forrest 44s System Specs: I use Vector Linux on a 120 MHz computer with 80mb RAM just for fun . Runs IceWM, it feels about the same as KDE 3 . 2 with Openoffice running on a 550 MHz with 128MB RAM . . . I use IceWM on mandrake 10 instead ok KDE . IceWM generally loads in under 5 seconds . . hehe Cheers J P . s - so for an old distro that i could run on these specs as is, now, does anybody have any recommendations? How about this one that Forrest is using - "Vector"?? My specs again are: 233mhz, 96mb ram, onboard grapics up to 4mb? . Or am i dreaming :D	J ZEP (336)
248338	2004-06-30 06:39:00	Hi again :) >Well umm, lol, i am not even getting anything open , basically it loads the desktop etc... then when i try to click on the "KMenu" the whole taskbar disappears and then most times, it pretty much freeezes up unfortunatley. By the way i am not clicking the hide arrow thing for the taskbar/start menu, when this happens Oh dear, that doesn't sound too encouraging. Perhaps you can do your initial investigations of Knoppix on your newer machine instead - just so you can see what it is all about without it crashing on you all the time. From this, you can decide whether Linux grabs your attention enough to warrant installing it on the older machine. Good on you though for the amount of self-help/investigations you have done so far :) >I read the link Chill posted a few weeks back, which also made me think this may not be a good system spec. wise for newer Linux distros?? Whereas, i had always presumed the "older" distros would run sweet as on an old system? May be a case of finding an old distro that will run o.k on these specs. now i think Yeah, you will really need a distro that is more suited to your specs and use a Window Manager like iceWM which has a much lower overhead that KDE or Gnome. Someone might be able to suggest a distro which already comes with IceWM as default to save you the trouble of getting it up and running. I can't suggest anything from experience as I run my "fatty" distro :p (Fedora Core 2) on grunty hardware (P4 2.4GHz 1024 MB RAM) so I haven't bothered looking into lighter distro's. Even my spare machine handles all the newer distro's without any problems (P3 933 MHz 384 MB RAM), although it is getting a serious workout currently as it is right now compiling Gentoo 2004.1 from a stage1 install for the last few days :D This is a great resource if you haven't already found it - here (http://www.distrowatch.com/). >Or am i dreaming Nah, your specs aren't too bad, just need to find a matching distro for it :)	Jen C (20)
248339	2004-06-30 07:09:00	Have a look for DeLi linux (Desktop Lite) or Vecotr Linux (Uses Xfce, not iceWM). DeLi linux looks good, but setup may be interesting.... Chill.	Chilling_Silence (9)
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