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Thread ID: 46633	2004-06-30 11:37:00	I have some info about SP2	robsonde (120)	Press F1

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248671	2004-06-30 12:22:00	Hi Derek, I must say that I can't fathom your reason for saying .... Data Execution Protection (DEP) this is the thing that has had the most news and is of the least importance to most of us. the NX-bit is a feture of new CPUs (athlon64s) this will stop buffer overflows, don't ask how is a long story. support for the NX-bit can be turned on or off on global way or on a program by program way. the option will be gray out if you don't have CPU support. :O A quick look at CERT (http://www.cert.org) shows that a very high proportion of exploits are caused by buffer over-runs. Perhaps an attempt at a hardware fix will cause enough embarrassment that coders will try to remove this "feature" from their programs. ;) Maybe this is Microsoft's way of saying "Whoops, we've got so much of our code that operates with the buffer overflow feature enabled that this is about the only way we can hope to fix the problem and help Steve keep his word on secure computing. :D Any computers that get infected or exploited no matter what operating system they use affects everyone that uses the internet, so personally I think it's worth a try! Hopefully you won't mistake this as a flame and I can still be included in the prize draw :D Pretty please :D	Gorela (901)
248672	2004-06-30 12:23:00	> > No flames! bugger I, guess I'll have to keep > chugging > > along with Office 97 or change to OO . Is it nice, > can > > > it is nice, but it needs windows XP to run, this is > not a sujested thing, it will NOT run on anything > less than XP . > Well blow me down (or something :O ) your going to give me XP to go with it . What a wonderful, kind, generous, awesome, witty, handsome, intelligent person you are . Thanks so very very much . Now I can throw away that horrible devils spawn virus open source thingy away and get shoes for the children as well . :x > > Because as a struggling new business i can't afford to upgrade my current budget office suite . > > heh heh heh . > > Seriously . :_| :| :^O	Murray P (44)
248673	2004-06-30 12:41:00	I'm really glad that you have finally seen the light and come back home :D You realise of course that now that you have returned, Derek is going to race out and kill the fatted calf ]:) And just to make my day he'll probably give you the Office CD as well :_|	Gorela (901)
248674	2004-06-30 13:06:00	I've been using SP2 RC2 for a few weeks now. I notice that when the computer has been left on for a few days strange things start to happen, like getting random program errors when loading a program like Winamp and it forces the program to close and give an error report. Its always something to do with some area of memory not being able to be accessed. Probably that DEP protection I imagine. My Dad could use that Office XP Pro, he's struggling away with Frontpage 2000 trying to make webpages for his new business and I just pity him that anyone has to use something as bad as Frontpage2000 and introduce poor HTML code into the site :O	kiki (762)
248675	2004-06-30 13:13:00	>> this is the thing that has had the most news and is of the least >> importance to most of us. I said that due to the fact that very few of us have a CPU that can do NX-bit support. and yes you are right, i would say that about %80 of remote expolits are due to buffer overflow. as has been discussed in another thread about the NX-bit....... its nice to have but good code is better than new cruft in the CPU.	robsonde (120)
248676	2004-06-30 13:18:00	> > SP2 will NOT install on systems that are not legal > MS versions. > > And thats just pure comedy,who are MS trying to kid? MS say that SP2 will not install on a system that has had a activation hack installed, it also has a black list of about 50 product keys. the list of 50 product keys account for 90% of the non-legal versions. this will only be the case for about 2 weeks after it goes gold, hackers are working on a hacked version of SP2 that will install on any system :-)	robsonde (120)
248677	2004-06-30 13:32:00	> > > SP2 will NOT install on systems that are not > legal > > MS versions . > > > > And thats just pure comedy,who are MS trying to > kid? > > MS say that SP2 will not install on a system that has > had a activation hack installed, it also has a black > list of about 50 product keys . > the list of 50 product keys account for 90% of the > non-legal versions . > > this will only be the case for about 2 weeks after it > goes gold, hackers are working on a hacked version of > SP2 that will install on any system :-) > > well,good on them for the effort but seeing as the keygen has been around for donkeys then their little list of 50 keys is nothing more then fluff . Users would have had to run the keygen to get a valid number in the first place so MS's 50 numbers theroy could only apply if the keygen only spits out 50 valid keys .	metla (154)
248678	2004-06-30 13:40:00	> > this will only be the case for about 2 weeks after it > > goes gold, hackers are working on a hacked version of > > SP2 that will install on any system :-) > Users would have had to run the keygen to get a valid > number in the first place so MS's 50 numbers theroy > could only apply if the keygen only spits out 50 > valid keys. well it dont matter how you crack it, you still dident buy it, and it dont matter how MS thinks its going to stop non-legal versions. hackers will get SP2 working in no time. each side will never give up and each side will never win.	robsonde (120)
248679	2004-06-30 13:54:00	I hope your not thinking that i am running a pirate copy or advocating running a pirate copy,that isn't what i was trying to imply . "Hackers" wont need to get sp2 working in no time,the keygen as i mentioned is already widespread,as is the tool bundled with it for changing the key on an already installed system . >each side will never give up and each side will never win . Depends how your define win,I'm sure MS are happy to see the billions roll on in,and im sure that users with no intention of paying for software are quite happy with their fully functional copies of xp . And im happy as long as i never run low on coffee . . . . .	metla (154)
248680	2004-06-30 14:01:00	well said!!! as for me? i am happy to go to bed now and will return when i wake to read over the offers of nice foke who wish to take the copy of office off my hands. what with this talk of non-legal software....... when I say "copy of office" I dont mean it is a copy of an office CD, what I am offering to one lucky person is a CD from MS with a legal a full version of office 2004 pro , key and all. who needs it most???	robsonde (120)
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