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251437	2004-07-13 23:03:00	R2x1 We seem to be on the same track. I used Draft Choice DOS version for years and found the DCWIN version simpler and better. It really is a magnificent 2d drafting program. If you have some drafting experience then it's very easy to learn and use. Its menu system is very logical. I also used QUICKMENU and like you agree it was very good indeed. There is a Windows version out which is available but I found too expensive for me (on pension now). Why we went off menu systems and changed to the desktop layout defeats me. It was so convenient having all photographic stuff on one page, drafting programs on another, word processors on another etc. Frankly my desktop is a mess. PLEASE MICROSOFT when you update go back to a menu system instead. Another program I find knocks the suffing out of Explorer is Total Commander (it was Windows Commander). It has 2 screens - so much more convenient for working.	Thomas01 (317)
251438	2005-11-08 03:34:00	I used ZwCAD, and I think it is very good, maybe one can download it (www.zwcad.org)and test it, it is seem like AutoCAD very much.	hedan924 (5867)
251439	2005-11-08 22:55:00	Well it's nice to see so many interested in my problems with TurboCad. I have tried the forums for it but not had much success there. The manual I find hopeless for basic learning but I have been given an old manual for an earlier version which is better. I think I have given up too soon and should try harder (reminds me of my school reports 60 years ago!). But a course on TurboCad would probably work wonders - or perhaps PCWorld could try an instructional series? They have done it for camera usage. The fact that DCWIN is still seen as one of the best programs delights me - and once again I wonder why Trius don't update it. I class it as one of the best programs I have ever used, Quickmenu is another old goody. I don't use that now as I find the ability to use Folders for my desktop is good enough. Autocad is far too big and bloated for me - a local firm reckoned they took well over a year before it was better than manual drafting - but from then on the results were fantastic. Having tried about 20 or so drafting programs over the last 10 years I refuse to look at any more - its DCWIN for my usual work, TurboCad for exercising the grey matter. Tom	Thomas01 (317)
251440	2005-11-09 06:22:00	Turbocad's home page (mindscape) does list a couple of training cds but they are around the $120 mark. There is a good tutorial for version 7 here - turbocad.com which I found helpful. I found that all the features that I wanted to use were only in the professional version, so I bought it. One day I hope to get time to learn how to use it. But until then, I keep going back to an old WIN 3.1 version of Autosketch, which I used at work for years. Its so easy to use that I have yet to let it go (despite the 8.3 filenames) :groan:	andy (473)
251441	2006-01-18 04:32:00	I have read the posts on TurboCad and can say it is quite easy to learn. Version 11.2 is out now. Very good tutorials are available from www.textualcreations.ca and are worth every cent. The TurboCad forum is now very good with replies to questions in a very short time. DesignCad is now at version 16.1 and you can email me for tutorials. I have been a user of DC since Version 7 2D and been a BETA tester for IMSIsoft since, well, along time now. I am a qualified AutoCad/AutoDesk user and a qualified SolidWorks user currently using Version 2005.	SteveMS (5868)
251442	2006-01-18 21:34:00	Thanks Steve. I have followed the link to TextualCreations and there looks to be a lot of good stuff there. To be honest over the last 60 years whenever I saw a claim that something is easy to learn I shivered. Its rarely true - and as a teacher for the last 20 years of my working life (Tech Drg & maths) I have been guilty of misleading students myself. No I do NOT find Turbo Cad easy - in fact I have met the same comment from others - its bloody difficult. The main problem is, it seems to be very illogical - I find myself constantly wondering why they do certain things whereas DCWIN seems very logical all the way - but of course is now limited and old hat. I found I was going round and round in circles when I tried the help forum - I did find it very difficult to get any answers. Same with the tutorials - I have tried a few - but they just don't explain why the strange method of starting drawings etc is the way it is. I really like to be able to understand why I am doing something. I get the feeling that once one is experienced in TurboCad then the Tutorials will be an excellent guide. Unfortunately being retired I do find I no longer have the pressure to get myself organised. Pity. But I still turn to TurboCad for an exercise in using the grey matter - more fun than crosswords. Some day it will seem natural. But I still use DCWIN when serious. Tom	Thomas01 (317)
251443	2006-01-19 04:03:00	Thanks for your reply Thomas . One of the biggest problems users and should I say, potential and new users find is just where to start and in most cases are not using the program full time . That is a BIG problem for school students . Tutorials for the beginner are lacking, and I have seen this with DesignCad and have taken the step to creating a small number of tutorials, about 8 or 10 now with more to come, to get the new user going . If you are interested, I can copy them to cd and post them to you . The other thing I find is that I have to completely switch off from DesignCad, SolidWorks or AutoCad if I go to use TurboCad or any other cad program . I wish commands could be the same! Also, Autocad is 'the standard' in industry at the moment, with SolidWorks starting to make some big moves on AC . What version of DesignCad do you have? Version 7? I have from version 7 through to version 16 . 1 with version 15 . 3 the best by far . 16 . 1 has a few issues that IMSI are working on . When in the USA last year, I called in on IMSI and spoke to the guys, being a BETA tester it is good to see who you are working for, and they do work hard on DesignCad . I have lent a book that came with version 7 to chap in Auckland who has found it very good . He too is retired and builds model aeroplanes . As for theTurboCad following in New Zealand, there is now a user group here, but it is only in name with users having contact details if the need arises . May I ask where in NZ you are? Me, I am in Christchurch . Steve	SteveMS (5868)
251444	2006-01-19 22:50:00	Hi there Steve. Thank you for your interest. Yes I would like to join in a user group. Can you give me contact details? And like you I live in Christchurch Your comment about DesignCad has me puzzled. I don't know this program although I suspect it is one I have tried in the past. I intend as I have mentioned before to remain with DCWIN for normal work but I do want to get to grips with TurboCad - I am considering a set of drawing showing the camper trailer I use. I suspect there could be a small market for people wanting to make their own. Tom	Thomas01 (317)
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