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Thread ID: 134203	2013-06-10 11:51:00	A thought on UFB Poor Uptake reasons	HAL9000 (12736)	PC World Chat

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1345305	2013-06-10 11:51:00	So there seems to be some teeth gnashing and wailing about $1.5b being poured in to UFB but an uptake rate of only 2%. Well if my experience is anything to go with, no wonder. I live two doors down from a school. Last month Chorus thrust their fibre under the footpath in front of my place. From what I saw they pushed through quite a thick duct and cable. They then ran the street installation in the next street over, which I know is almost excusively Housing Corp stock (judging from general upkeep of the properties, regular vacancies and general appearance of the tenancies). My street however is mixed with owner occupiers, rentals and the odd Housing Corp car yard. Great planning and foresight Chorus :tui: There are three of us that desperately want UFB but the area is not slated for UFB yet. So I wonder who in Chorus decided that a street with 0% chance of UFB uptake should get it, when my street has more than a few households that have the means to afford and want UFB.	HAL9000 (12736)
1345306	2013-06-10 12:36:00	Slow uptake is, in my own opinion, because people don't know what the hell they need. People are so very confused about what makes good/bad broadband that they wouldn't know UFB if it fell out of the sky and hit them on the head. Take for example the amount of tech hoarding youngsters in the uni appartment block I live in, these are kids who thrive off internet connectivity, they are "supposed" to know more than their parents about tech (generally speaking, of course not every person over 40 can't use a remote) But a bloody big chunk of these "tech age" kids went with Orcon's Unlimited plan. Big mistake, they ground to a halt on its over subscribed and heavily throttled plan. Unless you have some basic knowlege of what ADSL, VDSL and how these copper technologies work (distance from exchange, wiring quality etc) as well as what impact your own wireless/modem has on speed you're not going to be able to work out how or why UFB is better. Sure those who understand know UFB is faster and more reliable but if you don't understand WHY it's better then you're easily mis lead by a TV ad that says slingshot is giving away 100gb fast ADSL as quick as your line allows. You'd think you were on quick internet. Most people believe speed is linked to plan/ISP, so unfortunately, for the general public of non techs they're not going to know the difference. Unfortunately only the ones who care are going to notice they've missed out which is a shame. There are 3x properties on our road. We're the only ones to get fibre connected :D Eventaully *everyone* will be on fibre, and hopefully problem solved. No more variables. Simply Speed X with data cap Y for price Z	The Error Guy (14052)
1345307	2013-06-10 20:51:00	Massive activity along footpaths and several roads blocked for the past few weeks around here, but UFB hasn't been laid down our street. Huge areas of North Shore haven't been cabled and no immediate plans to do it. So I'm not even in a position to contemplate fast fibre.	coldot (6847)
1345308	2013-06-10 22:33:00	You might be surprised at the uptake in "those" areas but in any case I dont think its a factor in how they plan out what order to cable streets out in, seems more like they throw darts at a map but Im sure theres some reasoning behind it somewhere. My street is years away :( I think low uptake might have something to do with still relatively low availability and a lack of offerings. I havent noticed much in the way of ISPs pushing new plans or any advertising. Unless they are doing a mailbox drop in completed areas Im not sure how anyone even knows they can get it. On the other hand I hear demand in Hamilton is picking up and the UFB guys are increasing staff levels.	dugimodo (138)
1345309	2013-06-10 22:50:00	This is the play for roll out AFAIK: Phase One: Schools, Businesses and "Priority" areas, subsets of Phase one include new development areas where it's easy to install, as well as easy to access areas close to P1 zones, so if they put fibre to a school and your street happens to be dug up at the same time, chances are they'll run fibre down there just because it's easy Phase Two: Rural and those without adequate ADSL coverage, The whole idea of UFB was to get everyone good broadband, so phase two was to prioritise those without access to decent BB services, mostly Rural areas and small towns. Some suburban areas are also covered by Phase Two Phase 3 - 4: Everywhere else, this is the bit where they fibre duct anything that hasn't been covered in the last bunch of roll outs. If you live near priority places, or near a fibre line you can expect to be connected earlier, I was lucky because I live on a road with very few houses, but since they had to run the GPON link between Middleton RD and Grenada through our street, boom, fibre :)	The Error Guy (14052)
1345310	2013-06-11 00:37:00	I have been told by a Chorus/Downer guy that some of the more concentrated poorer social-eco areas may not have fiber installed at all. We had our cables laid out in 6 months ago, got the install started within 1 or 2 weeks from application. We had to get some underground digging had to wait about a week they've been tied up at other installs. In our area there have been a handful of installs already. Sig kicked off by Telecom's retail offer. Upon another chat - 50 installs done in our suburb.	Nomad (952)
1345311	2013-06-11 01:13:00	I have been told by a Chorus/Downer guy that some of the more concentrated poorer social-eco areas may not have fiber installed at all.That's not the only criterion. I live in the Waitakeres and UFB is only going as far as Oratia school down in the valley. Once you get onto Scenic Drive you don't even get ADSL2, and some poor b******s won't even get the Rural Broadband Initiative stuff.	Tony (4941)
1345312	2013-06-11 06:17:00	UFB rollout was a politcal decision. Dont expect any rational , common sense or value for money results Its been well known for quite a while that price is going to put off most home users. Give them UFB for $50 a month & you'll see a big uptake. I cant even get Real World full rated speed from the copper wire system. Speeds can plummet after 6pm when more locals turn on the PC's. Why would UFB be any different ?	1101 (13337)
1345313	2013-06-11 06:24:00	I agree with 1101's statement. Political deployment, coupled with the fact users don't have a "need" for faster (Aside from HD video which isn't really prevalent here in NZ), they just get frustrated with their current crappy ADSL setup coz their ISP is so highly oversubscribed or they've got a crappy router that drops them all the time. They need a reason to believe in it, that it's not going to just be "more of the same", and then many familys also have to justify the "premium" price.	Chilling_Silence (9)
1345314	2013-06-12 02:22:00	Oh and something else that concerns me. I see this statement "Fibre does not currently support Static IP or Port 25 unblocking commonly used for such things as hosting your own website or email server, remote security web cameras, remote access to server content like email or files." here www.telecom.co.nz I guess Telecom is looking to stifle UFB use for those that like host their own services. I have had the same fixed IP for 10 odd years and host my own email and test web server and am looking at doing my own personal cloud storage service. Looks like UFB not going to allow me to do this easily without resorting to a Dynamic DNS service.	HAL9000 (12736)
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