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Thread ID: 47285	2004-07-21 23:57:00	Trojan Diallers - An interesting development.	godfather (25)	Press F1

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254174	2004-07-24 05:23:00	WTF thanks for that. Isn't a block similar to a "Toll Bar". Les 3. Ps. Changed Password has now increased the number of Goons' harvesting it. 20 today as compared with 3 to 5 a week !!. Les 3.	leshibbard (873)
254175	2004-07-24 05:26:00	Jim B, same reply to WTF below your post. Les 3.	leshibbard (873)
254176	2004-07-24 13:16:00	Les: That info about changing your password (with adverse effects) is dramatic enough to raise our own concerns, but too short on details for anyone to suggest a work-around. Would you care to elaborate?	Laura (43)
254177	2004-07-24 13:43:00	Good point Laura. What are you on about Les, don't understand any of that. If you have dialers on your computer changing your password will not prevent their use as they don't use your password when they dial.	Jim B (153)
254178	2004-07-25 23:12:00	Laura and Jim B. Hope you both watch Fair Go, a recent episode showed a phone customer caught with a $2,000.00 toll account, generated by the same type of Dialer. My case happened on the 20 Feb 2004 at 13.15hrs and I was rung by Telecom later in the day to see if we had made tis call to the Cook Islands phone number given. I suppose we could have fought for a refund, but Telecom said they would put a "block" on our phone. " Who in there right mind would want anything to do with the Cook Islands", we were there in 1996 and couldn't get out of the place quick enough!!. Noadware, a free virus online checker has listed a number of Cookies, Yellow Pages, Bonzi and Web Watch files, which AVG hasn't picked up. AVG has quaratined a Trojan Horse Dialer 9 A F, which has a file reference C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM|EGCOMLIB_1034.DLL. Godfather mentioned the "Harvesting" of e-mails and their passwords and selling these onto relevant advertisers. Used to get only 3 or 4 Spam e-mails a week, but since changing my Password these have now increased to 14 to 22 a day. As someone else has mentioned, perhaps we should shut down Xtra and go elsewhere, but that means letting a lot of people know of the new ISP. We already have Hotmail and Yahoo. We thought Xtra had controls on Spam. Thanks to all those suggestions given. Les 3.	leshibbard (873)
254179	2004-07-25 23:45:00	A keylogger perhaps?	Chris Randal (521)
254180	2004-07-26 00:01:00	Keyloggers can be nasty buggers but they're all pretty massive in size and usually easily detectable... Im yet to see a keylogger written in assembly. This is of course different if you have a hardware logger :p Does anybody know if there are diallers out there for Mac/Linux? Chill.	Chilling_Silence (9)
254181	2004-07-26 00:01:00	leshibbard. I mentioned harvesting of emails, but it was you that mentioned that your password was being appended to spam emails you responded to trying to stop them. Outlook Express e-mails, you too can have a large .......... Notice when asking for these to be stopped, that one's password appears at the end of one's e-mail address, in plain English. So Passwords are not fullproof then?. Only went into Google to see what was good for "Cold Hands and Feet" on 26 June and the adult e-mails that have come down since then, you wouldn't believe. This is why we are concerned about your system, and whats happening Such activity (your PC sending your password) indicates a SERIOUS security problem on your PC. What have you done about it? Its not normal and indicates an urgent problem, if in fact that is actually happening. Its not something that I have ever heard of before.	godfather (25)
254182	2004-07-26 04:31:00	Godfather, only replied to the one adult e-mail, as I had only been getting 2 or 3 various spam e-mails, the others were for medications. A right click to Properties on unopened e-mail, details and message source, gives the details of my e-mail and the senders details. Most of the unknown e-mails received are Shift and Delete buttons, straight off the Inbox window. www.rixler.com was the site where password changes and lookups was found. My Password was never sent on by us. Did I not mention an old work mate's not remembering a password and that we used XTGold software to gleen the password. Thanks Godfather for your help, you and others' on this forum have always been a great help. Les 3. Ps. Another lady friend with Windows 98SE cannot bring up Feecell, it always gives that infernal "this program has ........". Gave her a copy on 3.5 floppy from which it should boot up, but the same thing happens "illegal op.....". Will give her a copy of another Win95 Freecell program on floppy and see if that gets clobbered toooo. les 3.	leshibbard (873)
254183	2004-07-26 05:27:00	> Used to get only 3 or 4 Spam e-mails a week, but > since changing my Password these have now increased > to 14 to 22 a day. Hi Les Your influx of spam may not be due to the causes you think. I run 9 email addresses for my business and family and until a couple of months ago I received nothing on my business addresses or any of my family addresses apart from that of my son which had previously been held by another individual in Christchurch and was thoroughly compromised. Regardless, his only received 10-15 per week, mostly XXX sites. When the Mydoom/SCO viruses struck, the viruses and spam on his address shot up to an unbelievably high daily figure and it was nothing to download 75 or 80 at a time. When the total topped 2500 I invested in Mailwasher to speed up deletion. As that series of infections developed, slowly all of my email addresses began to collect spam and viruses, no doubt as a result of my addresses being harvested from clients' and friends' computers. Now I get 5-10 every time I check my accounts, sometimes more, sometimes less but always 15-20 first thing in the morning after the computer has been off for a while. Mailwasher is a blessing and it deals with them all automatically now, only the very occasional one requiring my attention to decide its fate. The point of all this is that your increased spam etc may be a result of events outside of your computer, and have little or anything to do with the original adult email etc. Once your address is out there in the wild it may go round and round forever, or until every computer in the world if protected by reliable and up to date anti-spam and anti-virus programs. That will happen about the time hell freezes over. :( Cheers Billy 8-{)	Billy T (70)
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