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Thread ID: 47354	2004-07-23 16:08:00	Eye fatigue with new monitor - Brightness/glare?	kiki (762)	Press F1

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254763	2004-07-23 16:08:00	Hi, I recently got my new Phillips 109P40 monitor yesterday (supposedly a professional apeture grill tube one) and the brightness/glare on it seems very high. It's making my eyes really sore actually. It's hard to look at for too long and you have to close your eyes for a few secs before you can look again. I had a similair problem with my old PC Company Likom monitor and that it was pretty bright and the brightness/colours and contrast were all stuffed up. It was similiar to the eyestrain you get by looking at a 60Hz monitor for a long time. Anyway it's pretty bright. I even had some family members work on the computer for 5 minutes each and they were getting sore eyes too, too much glare/brightness. So how can I fix this?? I've configured the monitor with the program that was on the CD and that fixed some things. The monitor is on 0% brightness at the moment and 100% contrast. Default was 50% brightness. Also in the Display Properties/Colour tab I've turned the brightness down to -60 and contrast is at 100 (default). That dulls the colours slightly (white is nearly a light grey). The monitor is running at 1280x1024x32bit at 100Hz refresh. Sitting 40-50cm away from it. I'm looking to try and keep the right colours/gamma to get the colours correct in Photoshop, but I don't want sore eyes :( Any help would be much appreciated :)	kiki (762)
254764	2004-07-23 16:11:00	Oh the link to the monitor is here (www.ascent.co.nz). Now you know what I'm talking about ;)	kiki (762)
254765	2004-07-23 16:48:00	Looks wonderful. I'm green with envy. According to that website guff, there's no flicker or anything that you could possibly find a problem with... (Mind you, the *brilliant blazing* video might be a bit hard on the eyes..) I leave it to the experts for answers. That's apart from the obvious one, which of course you know (Something wrong with it-you take it back) That's no fun for new toys, though, is it?. Just a thought from another person weird enough to be posting at this hour ..and basically giving you no help whatsoever. Night Owls of the World Unite...	Laura (43)
254766	2004-07-23 16:54:00	:^O Indeed. Off to bed now though. Not too keen on taking my new toy back at this stage, we'll see. An LCD should be better on the eyes in theory, but this is for graphics work too ;)	kiki (762)
254767	2004-07-23 17:17:00	Ok, I've uploaded a photo from the camera to show the nuclear radiation being emitted from this thing. They say a picture says a thousand words. (sal.neoburn.net) Obviously it's not that washed out the picture isn't that white, it's much clearer, but a pic at night time captures some of the light coming out of quite well.	kiki (762)
254768	2004-07-23 17:32:00	Does look bright, yes - but your wallpaper's got a fairly bright background, anyway. Won't ask dumb questions like: Have you tried it with other stuff ?- as obviously you've tried every darned thing by now.. You need the Godfathers of this world to give you the real oil - so go to bed now & wait for the experts tomorrow. You've done all you can tonight..	Laura (43)
254769	2004-07-23 21:27:00	>The monitor is running at 1280x1024x32bit at 100Hz refresh. Sitting >0-50cm away from it. Have you run 1280 x 1024 x 32 with other 19" monitors in the past? Maybe you're just tired? Although I feel that the higher the Hz, the easier for the eyes, have you tried turning the refresh rate down a bit to see who that goes? I set mine around 75 Hz, and it's dandy. Oh and the other thing I noticed about this "Flat" CRTs is that (like mine) they are really really bright compared to normal CRTs. I run mine at about 50% of full brightness all the time, and, perhaps more importantly, 83% of full contrast. I find that full everything really makes my eyes cry - especially at night.	Growly (6)
254770	2004-07-23 21:28:00	if you have some kinda nvidia graphics card make sure you got the latest drivers then use the 'digital vibrance' control to tone it down a bit looks to me like you got it on 'high' lol...........	drcspy (146)
254771	2004-07-23 23:20:00	Before you play with all those settings or look at drivers etc kiki, you need to set up the contrast and brightness correctly. Reset your monitor to the original default values then follow this procedure to set up brightness and contrast correctly. Set both contols to zero then dim the lights. Next you advance the brightness until the screen is faintly lit. Now set the contrast to suit. That should be it, but a minor tweak of the brightness may be needed. Brightness is not really brightness at all, it is actually black level. Go here (http://www.oh-bugger.net.nz/) and select iten 4 (greyscale steps) for a test pattern that is more reliable than the subjective results you get from actual screen images. The extreme left-hand bar should be black, and the extreme right-hand bar should be white with an even gradation between those two extremes. You can check other aspects of the image display on this site as well, but all you really need to do is set the screen up as above then fine tune it to suit your lighting levels and eyes. Then you can make other colour-related adjustments (if necessary) when working from a correctly-set brillance/contrast background. No CRT based display should ever operate at 100% contrast setting, or ever need to for that matter, unless of course the 0-100% indicator is a totally arbitrary range that bears no relation to the actual video drive levels supplied to the CRT. It would surprise me a little if Philips used that sort of system, but I guess it could happen. Cheers Billy 8-{)	Billy T (70)
254772	2004-07-23 23:23:00	Sorry kiki, that should have been Item 3, not iten 4 :( but I guess you would have picked that up pretty quickly. Saturday morning-itis :8} Cheers Billy 8-{)	Billy T (70)
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