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| Thread ID: 134400 | 2013-06-27 23:02:00 | The new AK rail loop $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ | 1101 (13337) | PC World Chat |
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| 1347236 | 2013-06-29 07:51:00 | I caught the train once won't catch it ever again It smelled, it was slow, it was late. Bus was never on time, sometime school kids fill up the bus in the morning, it was also slow. After I started driving I would never go back on bus |
Ninjabear (2948) | ||
| 1347237 | 2013-07-01 05:17:00 | Interesting discussion. Tax has to be give and take for it to work...someone mentioned the Chch rebuild, perfect example. That's not going to being funded solely by Cantabs, so Auckland's roads by that theory should be in the same boat, but that is only income tax, there are many other ways to tax people from a certain area. It would be great if there was more transparency about what money went where in NZ. I suppose looking at population vs expenditure is a good way to go - Auckland has around 1/3rd (I think?) of NZ's population, so by that theory, where should the money go? Back where it came from. Can't help thinking the rail loop isn't a good use of money though. From last time I was in Auckland, the trains have a very long way to go to become a viable means of commuting to and from work. Anyone who thinks that is a magical fix for Auckland's public transport woes is sorely mistaken. Monorail anyone? :p |
wratterus (105) | ||
| 1347238 | 2013-07-01 05:30:00 | The City Rail Link was never meant to be a silver bullet; it allows trains every 10 minutes on the entire network, which nicely complements the new bus network giving greater frequencies and coverage of the city. :) | pcuser42 (130) | ||
| 1347239 | 2013-07-01 05:39:00 | Lot of money for a small improvement isn't it? | wratterus (105) | ||
| 1347240 | 2013-07-01 05:42:00 | Hardly a small improvement - not only does it double the capacity of the existing network (with electric trains), it also removes the dogleg on the Western Line, as it currently runs via Newmarket, as well as adding three additional stations in the CBD. Bear in mind that the $2.87 billion cost (adjusted for inflation) also includes double tracking of the Onehunga Branch, extra trains and grade separation of some level crossings. :) |
pcuser42 (130) | ||
| 1347241 | 2013-07-01 06:32:00 | Again bullshit . Its another case of Auckland trying to obtain money from the rest of the country for Auckland's benefit and Christchurch does not have any to give, we have our own problems . Just crying bullshit is not a cogent argument against anything except your own inability to express adequately your point of view . Keep in mind that regardless of your opinions, Auckland is the engine-room of the country, and if Auckland doesn't produce and sell than we all suffer in the long run . By geographic misfortune, and long-term governmental apathy, Auckland has transportation issues of significant proportions and despite an earlier comment by 1101, travel times have lengthened significantly in recent years . I live on the North Shore, just five minutes from the bridge, but if I want to catch an 8:30 plane, I have to leave home at 6:15 and then it will be a 35 minute drive to the airport . Five minutes later and I hit a carpool/bus lane blockage which sees me get to the airport barely in time to check in for my flight . If driving South I have to leave at the same time, and by the time I get to Penrose, traffic is banked up from the South and the tail-back extends past Papatoetoe or worse if it is wet . Coming back from the South, any time after 3pm it is nose to tail from Manukau to the Shore . There is a small but positive improvement from the new Newmarket Viaduct and the tunnel, but it still grinds to a halt at the Harbour Bridge . The extended travel time becomes a direct cost to my out of town clients, but there is nothing I can do about it . For commuters driving from North of the bridge, from 7:30am the tailback (stationary/crawling traffic) extends almost to Greville Road on a fine day and I hate to think how far back toward Albany if it is wet . The blockage is the Harbour Bridge, plus the lack of adequate rail and bus services . The Northern bus corridor is good but is under-utilised, and there is inadequate parking for Park and Ride . The buses have to merge with the rest of the traffic when they hit the bridge and over the last couple of kilometres there are several converging access routes . With a pitiful bus service, and trains so limited that they can't make any worthwhile impact on road usage, the City is grinding to a halt, and like it or not, if Auckland clogs up, the rest of the country suffers disproportionately . Auckland's public transport has always been the same . As an apprentice I lived at Papakura and took trains to get to my job Mt Albert, which meant leaving home before 6:00am for an 8:30 start, then after night school, getting home at 11:30pm for dinner, then up again at 5:30 . No wonder I bought a car . Asa final word, if Auckland does not prosper, Christchurch's recovery will take years longer . Like it or not, we are joined at the fiscal hip . Billy |
Billy T (70) | ||
| 1347242 | 2013-07-01 10:47:00 | Well said Billy - the worst part of this whole debacle is that Robbie (Auckland Mayor in the 70's as well as an earlier stint as mayor) proposed a light rail solution for Auckland's traffic woes which at that time was going to cost the princely sum of 3 million dollars . Fast forward 40 years and replace the "m" with a "b"!!! And we're still looking at a 7 year wait, so I hate to think what it will end up costing! By the same token, I would hate to think what it would cost New Zealand if it doesn't go ahead . (Disclaimer: living on the Shore, I have no preference (like some) for trains :) . I drive to the ferry and walk to work on the CBD-side) |
johcar (6283) | ||
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