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Thread ID: 47794	2004-08-05 23:28:00	Questions re new Jetstream connection	Miami Steve (2128)	Press F1

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258774	2004-08-07 11:16:00	Heh heh heh, I’m being ignored, so ill still post away anyhow . Billy, You miss the point entirely, the telecom-installed splitter is an unneeded cost unless required, Saying do it anyway is bad form . Out of the connections I’ve been involved with they have all performed excellently, The only time I have recommended the full install is when they have had prior poor performance of their phone lines . The idea is to provide the best solution, which means not incurring unneeded costs for an un-required service . I do believe that you have lost touch with the common man .	metla (154)
258775	2004-08-07 11:45:00	Ok I've got to get into this thread... My background is as a Telecom cable jointer and faultman of some 20 years standing and sometime ADSL installer. 1st Point if you have an alarm in your circuit it is going to give you trouble, it must be wired to the 1st jack in the house if done properly and the installer can't just cut it in to a cable running thru under the floor or in the ceiling. This is for fault proving purposes and easy disconnection in the event of a faulty or locked up dialer. 2 - If you have an alarm and it is monitored then at times the security co is going to call in or your alarm is going to call out to give an I'm ok report. If you are using Plugin filters two things, the signal to the alarm dialer will not be filtered and may disrupt the report if your modem or router is up. 2ndly the dialer WILL (if it's wired in at the 1st point) cut off all other points as it makes it's call, this includes cutting off your DSL. kiss goodbye to that game or large download. Some areas now have jetstream available that previously were unavailable, this is due to a combination of either the service being provided in the exchange or a remote based unit being installed in a distribution cabinet on the side of the road. yes distance will effect the signal quality, it also depends on the cable capacitance and the make up of the cable but generally 4.5 - 6km still gives a reasonable speed at the end. House wiring also makes a huge difference, If you have an alarm as mentioned above you will need a Splitter installed not plugin filters. Also if possible it is best to run a cable from the splitter direct to the Jetstream jack, but the construction of some houses either makes it difficult or time consuming. Having two wired jackpoints will make a difference as well due to the old 3 wire system being inherantly imbalanced. Also some of the older types of multicore cable that have been used over the years and that many houses are wired with, do cause problems due to the way that the wires are wrapped within, and in some cases the installer may change the colour coding to achieve a better sheilding on the pairs. Generally though DSL can be run in an existing cable within your premises in conjuction with your analogue line and cause no problems but I have proved large speed drops within a house just due to a few metres of old wiring. ok so what i'm saying is wire the alarm properly, use a splitter to avoid problems and interference on your calls, use a seperate cable direct to your ADSL jack if possible, Use two wire jackpoints throughout and disconnect as much as possible. If you upgrading or rewiring consider wiring it all back to a patch panel or similar so that even though you may have 10 jacks around your house only the 4 that your using may be alive at one time, you turnon what you wish to use.	Exwesty (5639)
258776	2004-08-07 12:22:00	hmmm,....Still, all of that only applies in a worst case scenerio,90 percent of installs don't need any of that fluff and run just fine, Alarms only ring out once a day, it wont lose any large download if your wise enough to use a dl manager, and seeing as it happens at the same time everyday the gamer knows when its going to happen. Overkill, I wouldn’t pay for that service unless necessary. And I pity the fool who does. And yes I have a monitored alarm, it causes zero grief.	metla (154)
258777	2004-08-07 12:23:00	and yeah,i realise its arrogant to argue with an expert in the feild but there ya go.	metla (154)
258778	2004-08-07 12:30:00	Lol Metla It hope you pay your wiring maintenance fee....lol My sales and service book is ready :p	Exwesty (5639)
258779	2004-08-08 01:16:00	> Heh heh heh, I’m being ignored, so ill still post > away anyhow. > > Billy, You miss the point entirely, the > telecom-installed splitter is an unneeded cost unless > required, Saying do it anyway is bad form. Heh heh heh I didn't miss the point at all. I never said a Telecom splitter was required, in fact in practical terms, the only difference between a splitter and a filter is the physical configuration and point of installation. That is why I said that one filter can be installed (as a splitter) at the point of entry. The filter is intended to prevent the HF ADSL signal from going to all the phones in the house, and by inserting the filter/splitter at the point of entry (or point of initial termination, take your pick) then running a dedicated line to the router/modem you have a direct connection to the incoming line that is free opf any other influences from installed devices such as alarms, faxes, phones or any other device that uses the telephone line. Sure you can still get an adsl signal without any filters at all, but it may not be optimum. So, I return to the explanation in my last post, to which I will add "do it once and do it right". That way when you complain the your ADSL service provider about dropouts, slow downloads or whatever, you can rest assured that you have complied with the installation requirments in full, and the rest is up to them. A filter costs just $19 from DSE, and doubtlessly they can be purchased cheaper elsewhere. My last word on this topic is actually DSE's. They have succinctly summed up the reasons for installing a filter thus: All telephone equipment must be filtered in an ADSL installation. This includes corded & cordless phones, answering machines, faxes, caller display units, analogue modem (including such devices as a Sky digital decoder with integral modem), dedicated diallers. The only device that does not have a filter is the ADSL Modem or Router itself unless you want to connect ADSL modem and Telephone to the same jackpoint or need to use an adapter between the plug on the modem and the jackpoint. This filter can be used in such cases. - The lead coming out of the side marked "LINE" is plugged into the telephone jackpoint - Non-ADSL telephone equipment then plugs into the "PHONE" socket on the filter If you are providing your services on a commercial basis, it is not good business practice to ignore the service provider's recommendations. You can't guarantee the the property owner won't add more load to their phone line and it will only come back to bite you on the bum at some later date if they do. Cheers Billy 8-{)	Billy T (70)
258780	2004-08-08 01:36:00	> > ... stay away from PCI > > cards and USB for your ADSL connection. > > > Lots of people are saying that USB connection is not > recommended, but what are the obvious draw back of > USB connections? Can someone please explain > further? Sounds like bkT has a USB ADSL modem - I have a PCI ADSL modem - no problemo. Do any of the experts have an answer for this question from bkT? I too am curious.	andrew93 (249)
258781	2004-08-08 01:45:00	USB and PCI modems do not provide NAT (Network Address Translation) that ethernet connected routers *usually* provide. NAT provides effective one-way (inwards) firewalling, in that any hackers trying to penetrate the system from outside can only see the router and not the PC behind it. It is a very worthwhile facility in my opinion. These solutions are not available as far as I am aware for either USB or PCI, where your entire system security depends on a correctly configured and working software firewall.	godfather (25)
258782	2004-08-08 04:04:00	> These solutions are not available as far as I am > aware for either USB or PCI, where your entire system > security depends on a correctly configured and > working software firewall. Thanks godfather, so I tkae it that with the standard XP firewall plus a correctly configured Zone Alarm Pro, this shouldn't be a problem?	andrew93 (249)
258783	2004-08-08 04:05:00	Billy Billy Billy . . . . . . . are you sure you never said everyone should get the full telecom install? lmao,I won't go back and read all the posts again so i shall just take your word for it . Not a good idea to quote simplistic DSE crap at me though,everyone knows what a filter does and why the are needed . No ever said not to use filters or splitters,my point was the telecom install wasn't to be recomemded unless needed . . . . . . . . and you aparently didn't say otherwise so . . . . . . . . . meh . DSE is to computers what edmonds cooking book is to a cheif .	metla (154)
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