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Thread ID: 47794	2004-08-05 23:28:00	Questions re new Jetstream connection	Miami Steve (2128)	Press F1

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258764	2004-08-06 04:48:00	Thanks for that Ray. I have all the wiring in place for an alarm (new house) but no sensors etc yet. I think I will just go with the splitter. Cheers Miami	Miami Steve (2128)
258765	2004-08-06 06:27:00	Three things: 1) Go [url=http://jetstream.xtra.co.nz/chm/0,5123,202905-202335,00.html] here to check availability of Jetstream on your line. This will confirm that it is accessible at your number. 2) Check how far you are from your local exchange, if over 3-4 kilometres things will slow down. Accept it! 3) Use a proper splitter at the point of entry for your phone line and run a dedicated Cat 5E line from there to your adsl enabled outlet. Sure filters work, but the adsl signal still sees all the evils and ills in your phone wiring system before it gets to your computer. I know this spoils everybody's fun by stopping them from blaming Telecom for everything, but heck, the trade-off is trouble-free surfing. Cheers Billy 8-{)	Billy T (70)
258766	2004-08-06 06:38:00	> Three things: > > 1) Go > [url=http://jetstream . xtra . co . nz/chm/0,5123,202905-202 > 35,00 . html] here to check availability of Jetstream > on your line . This will confirm that it is accessible > at your number . > Been there, done that . Availability has been confirmed, albeit without any real commitment from Telecom . > 2) Check how far you are from your local exchange, if > over 3-4 kilometres things will slow down . Accept > it! > I'm probably 1 to 1 . 5km's from the exchange (in a semi-rural area) . > 3) Use a proper splitter at the point of entry for > your phone line and run a dedicated Cat 5E line from > there to your adsl enabled outlet . Sure filters > work, but the adsl signal still sees all the evils > and ills in your phone wiring system before it gets > to your computer . > Is this what will happen with a standard Telecom installation, or would I need a specialist installer for the Cat 5E cable? > I know this spoils everybody's fun by stopping them > from blaming Telecom for everything, but heck, the > trade-off is trouble-free surfing . Cheers Miami	Miami Steve (2128)
258767	2004-08-06 06:51:00	> Three things: > > 1) Go > [url=http://jetstream.xtra.co.nz/chm/0,5123,202905-202 > 35,00.html] here to check availability of Jetstream > on your line. This will confirm that it is accessible > at your number. As has been noted this is near a waste of time and has been done already,please pay attention. > > 2) Check how far you are from your local exchange, if > over 3-4 kilometres things will slow down. Accept > it! Bullocks to that,They know the projected speed but will no longer disclose the info,and rather then accept it one would be serving themselves better to tell telecom to suck on it while they use somne other company. > > 3) Use a proper splitter at the point of entry for > your phone line and run a dedicated Cat 5E line from > there to your adsl enabled outlet. Sure filters > work, but the adsl signal still sees all the evils > and ills in your phone wiring system before it gets > to your computer. > > I know this spoils everybody's fun by stopping them > from blaming Telecom for everything, but heck, the > trade-off is trouble-free surfing. Are you mad? What info are you basing your opinion on?,the fact of the matter is that the large proportion of people do not need the initial splitter,Maybe if your loaded with cash you might want to pay telecom for an over priced and unneeded service then what the hey. Bad advice old chap,The splitter is a good idea IF needed,but only IF needed.	metla (154)
258768	2004-08-06 11:37:00	> > Three things: > > > > 1) Go > > > [url=http://jetstream.xtra.co.nz/chm/0,5123,202905-202 > > > 35,00.html] here to check availability of > Jetstream > > on your line. This will confirm that it is > accessible > > at your number. > > > As has been noted this is near a waste of time and > has been done already,please pay attention. Dont be too hasty there as you are wrong. My friend also has the same thing. His number comes up as being in a Jetstream area and is available for connection. However on further examination it appears some coils were put in to the line for some unknown reason and these completely destroy the Jetstream connection.	Big John (551)
258769	2004-08-06 12:10:00	I've installed alot of ADSL and have never needed a splitter, always only used filters and never had any problems. You only need a splitter if you are going to need more than five filters. As for a ADSL modem I can thoroughly recommend the Billion 7402 modem 4 port router, this baby has everything, VPN (PPTP,IPSec,L2TP) client or server, firewall (SPI,DoS,URL blocking etc) it will even check your email automatically, amazing unit and not that expensive for what you get, and don't worry about the cat5e cabling in your house, i'm sure that any wiring in your house is going to be a whole lot better than the wiring from the exchange to your house.	tech_meister (5509)
258770	2004-08-07 04:22:00	> don't worry about the cat5e cabling in your house, > i'm sure that any wiring in your house is going to be a whole lot > better than the wiring from the exchange to your house. Not singling out T_M in particular despite the quote above, my advice was based on experience, and common sense, not conjecture, or I love/hate Telecom prejudices: Step 1: Find out if ADSL is available at your local exchange. If it is not, then nobody can help you. Step 2: Check the distance to the Exchange, because regardless of who you send your money to, it is Telecom who operate the ADSL equipment at the exchange, and all users are equal in the eyes of that anonymous electronic card. Length really does matter. Step 3: Use a filter because they are cheap, and they ensure that you can isolate your ADSL line from everything else in the house. With very little work you can wire your splitter as a filter anyway. It depends only on where you place it in the wiring. Sure the wiring from the exchange to your point of entry will be a movable feast, but after that the house wiring may contain any number of paralleled circuits, each adding capacitance to the line, plus any other undesirable effects from mangled cables, poor joints and you name it. In addition, Telecom's specs for ADSL performance are not guaranteed for the old 3-wire internal wiring systems. They recommend conversion to the new two wire system for best results. For the most reliable and fastest speed possible (within the limits of the parameters over which you have zero control) why wouldn't you invest in a few bucks worth of quality cable to deliver clean signal to your router modem or whatever? Would you buy the cheapest MB & 5400rpm HDD , a Hyena power supply and a Celeron processor for your new system? No way, you go for the best you can afford, even though you may never utilise anything like the full potential of the final machine. It is not about what you can get away with, it's about giving your system the best possible environment to ensure you get maximum value out of your ADSL subscription. However, it is a free world, and other's aspirations may vary. Cheers Billy 8-{) :|	Billy T (70)
258771	2004-08-07 04:53:00	> my advice was based on experience, and common sense, not conjecture, or I love/hate Telecom prejudices. Fine,now how many jetstream connections have you set up in seperate locations?	metla (154)
258772	2004-08-07 10:08:00	My advise is based on my experience	tech_meister (5509)
258773	2004-08-07 10:59:00	You have missed the point tech_meister and seem to want to turn this into a numbers competition vis: how many have you done vs how many I have done? My point is that you can do it properly and be assured of optimum results, or you can play the law of averages and get away with shortcuts most of the time. My aim is to to deliver 100% of the available performance every time. So, the point was this: My advice was not aimed at you, it is aimed at a person who may lack the diagnostic skills to trace problems that compromise their connection speed. It is far better to advise them how to do the job properly so that they can feel comfortable at the end of the exercise that they have done everything in accordance with best practice. No offence, but it is all to easy to dash off casual advice without taking into consideration the limitations of the recipient's experience. Cheers Billy 8-{)	Billy T (70)
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