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Thread ID: 134525	2013-07-11 00:21:00	New Tui Ad 'If you have nothing to hide...You have nothing to fear'	ruup (1827)	PC World Chat

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1348582	2013-07-12 12:20:00	:lol: www.guardian.co.uk I knew there was a reason I don't use Skype...	Agent_24 (57)
1348583	2013-07-12 12:32:00	All those who think its a non issue . . . how about when they spy on your wife, when they spy on your children . When private companies are contracted by the govt to spy on your wife, your children . . Shades of East Germany . . . . have we forgotten allready What about when this info is leaked, stolen, abused or used to get at you buy someone with a grudge . Yep , that all has happened in NZ . . the terrorists have won ?? I sort of agree with your concerns but I really don't think we have much to worry about . Why? Because right now government departments lawfully hold all kinds of information about you, have done for decades - and they don't disclose it . They don't even share data although its now possible for Immigration to stop fines defaulters at the border . But not tax defaulters or liable parent non-payers . Weird huh . You refer to "they" being a threat . Do you know who "they" have proven to be in the real world? Not the high-ups, not the high-powered: when private personal or confidential information is released to the public it is done by some very ordinary person such as a clerk, administrator, pc tech, manager etc etc way down at the bottom of the totem pole . That is who you really have to worry about - and yet such breaches are infinitesimally rare . Consider for a moment all of the confidential information passing through accountants and lawyers offices every single day . Customs, IRD, WINZ, Police handle just as much . Yet illegal disclosure seldom occurs .	Winston001 (3612)
1348584	2013-07-12 21:39:00	And insider trading NEVER happens. Councils sell address and name details of people getting permits to spammers. Criminals find it pretty easy to access much of the so-called confidential information. Powers are routinely abused - should we award rosettes for best breach of the day?	R2x1 (4628)
1348585	2013-07-13 10:25:00	Really? Insider trading occurs when a person learns about confidential information which has economic value. Of course it happens - but in a limited way. Staff in banks, share-brokers etc take a serious risk of criminal prosecution if they talk out of school. That can make them unemployable. Plus the stock exchange keeps a close eye on trading and can see when names or large trades pop up. Insider trading used to be lawful but these days it is illegal and the people at the pointy end know that. Could you supply a link please to councils selling personal (as opposed to public) info about people?	Winston001 (3612)
1348586	2013-07-13 20:42:00	The council's idea of personal, and the public's idea of private are closely aligned. But if you go through the extravagantly expensive permit process for installing a log burner, you may find a hidden imposition is that your details have been hawked to insulation spruikers and their ilk. No link, sorry but I learned of it from an aggrieved friend subjected to the process. He lives in Papakura. For more exact detail, you will have to buy the list from the council.	R2x1 (4628)
1348587	2013-07-15 06:11:00	When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When people fear the government there is tyranny	lazydog (148)
1348588	2013-07-15 21:23:00	I dont see the big hoohar about this really, after all, we are merely streamlining the bill, its already been passed years ago!.....	SolMiester (139)
1348589	2013-07-16 02:10:00	President John F. Kennedy's speech on secrecy and a free and democratic society: "The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know." For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed." "No President should fear public scrutiny of his program. For from that scrutiny comes understanding; and from that understanding comes support or opposition. And both are necessary. I am not asking your newspapers to support the Administration, but I am asking your help in the tremendous task of informing and alerting the American people. For I have complete confidence in the response and dedication of our citizens whenever they are fully informed. I not only could not stifle controversy among your readers-- I welcome it. This Administration intends to be candid about its errors; for as a wise man once said: "An error does not become a mistake until you refuse to correct it." We intend to accept full responsibility for our errors; and we expect you to point them out when we miss them. Without debate, without criticism, no Administration and no country can succeed-- and no republic can survive. That is why the Athenian lawmaker Solon decreed it a crime for any citizen to shrink from controversy. And that is why our press was protected by the First (emphasized) Amendment-- the only business in America specifically protected by the Constitution-- not primarily to amuse and entertain, not to emphasize the trivial and sentimental, not to simply "give the public what it wants"--but to inform, to arouse, to reflect, to state our dangers and our opportunities, to indicate our crises and our choices, to lead, mold educate and sometimes even anger public opinion. This means greater coverage and analysis of international news-- for it is no longer far away and foreign but close at hand and local. It means greater attention to improved understanding of the news as well as improved transmission. And it means, finally, that government at all levels, must meet its obligation to provide you with the fullest possible information outside the narrowest limits of national security... And so it is to the printing press--to the recorder of mans deeds, the keeper of his conscience, the courier of his news-- that we look for strength and assistance, confident that with your help man will be what he was born to be: free and independent."	zqwerty (97)
1348590	2013-07-16 05:39:00	you may find a hidden imposition is that your details have been hawked to insulation spruikers and their ilk . Could very well be a coincidence, said insulation installers have been cold calling for the last couple of years trying to take advantage of the government subsidies for insulating older houses . I've been rung so often I've lost track, and no I don't have a log burner and have not applied for any permits with the council since living here . Getting sick of explaining I have no ceilings to the ventillation outfits as well . I even signed up for under floor insulation with one crowd only to have them back out at the last minute when the installer had a look under my house . I have 38mm triboard floors sitting on folded steel beams with no wooden joists etc . Apparently stapling insulation to that is beyond their abilities (I do have silver paper under there and the floor itself insulates better than most wooden floors anyway) .	dugimodo (138)
1348591	2013-07-16 06:02:00	I dont see the big hoohar about this really, after all, we are merely streamlining the bill, its already been passed years ago!..... It is not that they are streamlining the Bill. The Bill was to streamlined so that it was very clear the GCSB were breaking the Law. The new Bill is all muddied so that no one will know what is legal or not. The Prime Minister will never again have to embarrass himself by admitting that people under his direct control have broken the law.	McRuff (12291)
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