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| Thread ID: 48301 | 2004-08-19 06:42:00 | OT: Weather | mr_rix (5375) | Press F1 |
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| 263250 | 2004-08-20 22:16:00 | Dream on. | zqwerty (97) | ||
| 263251 | 2004-08-20 22:56:00 | I will have to reply to Winston. It is precisely because the atmosphere is so thin that the effects of 6 billion or whatever people is dramatic. Air pollution in the northern hemisphere now completely encircles the earth. I shudder to think what the effect of 1.5-2 billion Chinese will have when they achieve the same energy usage per capita as the US. When I revisited UK back in 1990, I was horrified to see this brown smog haze looking out to sea down in Devon. It wasnt there when we left in the 1970s, it always used to be crystal clear air out to the south-west, which is where the prevailing winds come from. Overpopulation is the worlds biggest problem, this is what I was refering to in my first post, and to which Laura understandably took exception to. It was tasteless in the context of the original post However it was in response to zqwertys analogy of the earth having a feed back mechanism to help stabilise the climate, not the original post. Sorry, but as Zqwerty says dream on those folks who think we are not killing the earth with our activities. |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 263252 | 2004-08-20 23:08:00 | Totally agree with you Terry Porritt, read an article that the air in Britian is equally dirty everywhere now. No point heading for the dales for a freshen up. :( | mark c (247) | ||
| 263253 | 2004-08-21 00:21:00 | > Murray - we have macro data about the earth's weather from ice-cores etc. But not > micro daylong events. Not possible to find. Exactly what I was saying > Again on a micro level, removal of trees causes floods. And possibly less rain too. But > that has nothing to do with global warming. Yes, I thought that was what I said, maybe not with enough precision. I followed on and expanded on the theme of my earlier post, or so I thought. > What is the greatest influence on the atmosphere? The Sun. Only 93 million miles > away, close in solar terms and slamming inconcievable numbers of photons, > neutrinos, electrons and other particles against us every second. Honestly, our > efforts are feeble beside that. I would go a step further and say the sun is the greatest influence there is on the planet as a whole, not just the atmosphere but, there are alot of other factors that interact with the sun and influence the narrow band of conditions that make life possible for us on this planet. We are starting to learn about the bounds of these factors and the tiny changes that will have apparent and far reaching consequences which while they are not significant enough to kill off the planet are certainly enough to make life impossible for me and you and a heck of alot of our fellow carbon based inhabitants. Is global warming going to get us, is it just a natural cycle that may have been bolstered by our activities? Like you I have no idea but, and talking generically, we cannot ignore the possibilities, research and therefore knowledge is our friend while in the meantime some risk management is prudent. Which again leads to wider human questions re the place of the UN, developing countries vs established industrialised, agriculture and industry, trade, health, etc, as per the suns influence there are other factors that are intertwined that cannot be addressed in isolation. Is there a working specification for sorting all this out, something that allows the issues to broken down into manageable bites without losing the wider objectives? I don't think so, not a coherent workable one anyway and that is a failure of vision we may well rue one day. Cheers Murray P |
Murray P (44) | ||
| 263254 | 2004-08-21 07:35:00 | Fair enough. If this discussion has made a few people consider the issues more deeply, then we've achieved something. I acknowledge that ignoring the global warming theory could have perilous results. I actually support it in the sense that it means humanity is trying to modify its destruction of the global ecology. Destruction of rainforests, fisheries etc. If we save Mother Nature because of a later disproved theory, balance will nevertheless be achieved. |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
| 263255 | 2004-08-21 08:35:00 | Agreed . Funny thing about theories, they must be able to be disproved to be valid/viable . Cheers Murray P |
Murray P (44) | ||
| 263256 | 2004-08-27 10:40:00 | Latest news: news.bbc.co.uk www.businessweek.com seattlepi.nwsource.com |
zqwerty (97) | ||
| 263257 | 2004-08-27 11:22:00 | > Sorry, but as Zqwerty says dream on those folks who > think we are not killing the earth with our > activities. Thats funny. We're not killing the earth at all,in the grand scale of thing we are just a blip,us and our effects will be shaken off by the earth like a flu. Ultimatly its a non-event,Life will carry on in some form on this planet untill conditions can no longer suport it. |
metla (154) | ||
| 263258 | 2004-08-27 11:33:00 | > Yes I did read it but I decided to ignore your advice > because I think that a wider view is required than > merely commiserating with local victims of a global > phenomenon. Everybody in the world is in some way > responsible for what is happening and putting your > head in the sand will not make it go away. Are you suggesting that I, ( being part of the world population ) happen to be responsible for the weather. Are you into Chaos theory then? If a butterfly spreads its wings in Brazil then this may be responsible for floods in some parts of New Zealand? I could even be responsible for floods in Bangladesh couldn't I? It's been happening for yonks. We have Earthquakes on the coast of California from time to time. We in New Zealand have had the Napier earthquake 1931 I think and Inangahua in my lifetime. Not sure what year there. Am I responsible for my next door neighbours children as well? They were the people whom elected to actually concieve and have the children I speak of. Thanks Laura for your post. For me I have a certain amount of sympathy for people who for no fault of their own happen to be in unfortunate circumstances. |
Elephant (599) | ||
| 263259 | 2004-08-27 11:58:00 | Lots of food for thought there, zquerty. Interesting to see the differing approaches to global warming taken by scientists & business people in different parts of the world - but ending up with similar warnings of the need for action. |
Laura (43) | ||
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