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Thread ID: 48961	2004-09-06 07:38:00	O.T Quick Laugh at Scamme.	drb1 (4492)	Press F1

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269778	2004-09-07 08:02:00	> No Multiple accounts . No sales = No money owed to > Scam me . If you are not making sales then what is the issue? I thought you were making sales . . . . . anyway . . . . . . > Any person may advertise 3 items at one time > continuosly with out, PAYING to be authenticated . > These sellers must pay to Scamme any fees owed . [chaff deleted] > Where please did I state that I had not payed fees . Have you sold anything yet? I presume you must have because you stated in a previous post that you had sold plenty of items although above you say "no sales = no money owed" . I'm confused but I believe you are trading because you said you have bought and sold things on TradeMe . I take it that the thrust of your objection was paying $10 to become authenticated . Is that correct? As per the TradeMe site, the $10 authentication fee is credited to your account ( . trademe . co . nz/STRUCTURE/HELPDOCS/DEFAULT . ASP?help_id=288&crm_subject_id=&crm_subject_path=" target="_blank">www . trademe . co . nz), so if, in your own words, you have been selling things for a while and again, in your own words, you owe TradeMe nothing, then I could reasonably assume that you have previously made a payment to TradeMe at some point in time . And, if that is the case, why have you been happy to pay success fees in the past but are not happy to prepay $10 onto your account, especially if you intend to use the TradeMe site (you stated you wanted to relist items) to sell items in future? > Please debunk at will, please get it Right, > > A legitimate trader who has good positive feed back, > who owes Trade me no money, who has not defrauded > Trademe of 1 cent . So, if you are using TradeMe regularly, and the link I provided above shows the payment will be credited to your account, and given you have no intention of defrauding anyone, what's the BFD? > Who has consistently resisted every forced attemp by > trade me to pay to be authenticated . > who uses a local > isp and aan @ address directly linked to that local > isp . has been told by Trdeme that he is a forign > national an he may not relist his unsold auctions . > Unless he pays $10-00 . > > The traders feedback which I believe trade me have as > they claim to own it . Shows clearly that he is a > local trader if he is not how did he make all the > pickups, and collect all the Mmanukau City parcels . I don't doubt for a moment that you are who you say are and my apologies for thinking you were trying to rip off TradeMe . > CEDIT when you join Trademe? Dont not steal the > conditions from "openallhours . co . nz" who give $50-00 > free Advertising credit to all new members, TradeMe used to give a credit to new members - some of the older TradeMe members will remember this and per metla's previous thread you will see this has been discontinued . [chaff deleted] > Anbody who has become address verified by Spamme ever > wondered how some of those "snail mail" spammers got > their names and Addresses . I haven't been snail mail spammed as a result of becoming AV on TradeMe, and given you are not address verified, how would you know? > As soon as anybody buys or sells one item on Scamme > their Scamme id is listed on google, now how does > that happen I wonder? Googlebots ( . google . com/bot . html" target="_blank">www . google . com) - no mystery or conspiracy theory there .	andrew93 (249)
269779	2004-09-07 08:51:00	So, if you are using TradeMe regularly, and the link I provided above shows the payment will be credited to your account, and given you have no intention of defrauding anyone, what's the BFD? Sleazy underhanded tactics to get people to pay an unnecessary sum up front . Then reserving the right to charge $5-00 to refund change . (That is a scam) Then using ridiculous subterfuge to try to force people who resist, but work within the rules . I found it funny, and annoying, funny because their interest is so self only . Annoying because while they waste time on side issues like this . Gullible kiwis are ripped of daily by pro scammers who have paid scamme to avoid detection . They are chasing molehills for pennies, while mountains (That rip off the innocent) pass them buy . This is the type of people they are . Some who have never dealt with them, may enjoy some insight into this, may be surprised to discover that Nigerians, Rumanians, Indonesians, Russians, Ect, can so simply rip them off, assisted by SCAMME .	drb1 (4492)
269780	2004-09-07 09:05:00	This type of unethical behaviour (By Trademe) becomes acceptable business behaviour, if there is no objection it leads to a further breakdown in Ethical standards. Which leads to the "Enron’s" and stock dealer debacles, that are very expensive for the consumer, who pays for it all in the end.	drb1 (4492)
269781	2004-09-07 12:57:00	I have no problem with trademe . I have sold/bought about 35 items, and have never been "scammed" . drb1, I don't think you understand the concept behind trademe: They let you sell on their site : you pay them money . It is quite a basic business concept . Now answer for me, HOW can you have: - NOT payed them $10 - but sold items? There is nothing unethical about business drb1 . Supermarkets try to make money . I try to make money . Dick smiths try to make money . PC World/IDG try to make money . Just as trademe does . Just as you can't buy a computer from Dick Smiths without paying, you can't sell stuff on trademe without paying . My 2 cents .	george12 (7)
269782	2004-09-07 13:11:00	> I have no problem with trademe . I have sold/bought > about 35 items, and have never been "scammed" . > > drb1, I don't think you understand the concept behind > trademe: They let you sell on their site : you pay > them money . > > It is quite a basic business concept . Now answer for > me, HOW can you have: > > - NOT payed them $10 > - but sold items? > > There is nothing unethical about business drb1 . > > Supermarkets try to make money . > I try to make money . > Dick smiths try to make money . > PC World/IDG try to make money . > > Just as trademe does . Just as you can't buy a > computer from Dick Smiths without paying, you can't > sell stuff on trademe without paying . > > My 2 cents . I repeat under T/m rules any unauthenticated Seller MAY list a maximum of 3 items continiously . You sell, you pay . (What you owe) . No sell, no pay . Their rules, I did not make them, I followed them . They are using unethical tactics to enfore their unwritten policys . Thats the issue, Changing the rules to suit your self under the counter . No pay $10-00 up front as buyer, can not ask question, can not use buy now (Very unfair for buyer only) . Side issue Buyer only should be able to use buy now and deffinatly should be able to ask questions	drb1 (4492)
269783	2004-09-08 02:49:00	Extra services cost too though. Buynow and question asking can just be thought of as extras that you would OBVIOUSLY want but cost, just as higher bandwidth costs on you're ISP. You don't hear people saying "Jetstream Surf for 39.95... Their rules, all good. But when you try to move up to 3GB a month, they make you pay $10.00! And the worst thing about ScamxTRA is that you have to pay $10 more if your not on Telecom!" drb1, just authenticate yourself. Some sellers make their auction "Star: authenticated buyers only". It is well worth $10. TradeMe is not a scam. Cheers George	george12 (7)
269784	2004-09-08 05:59:00	> Extra services cost too though . Buynow and question > asking can just be thought of as extras that you > would OBVIOUSLY want but cost, just as higher > bandwidth costs on you're ISP . > > You don't hear people saying "Jetstream Surf for > 39 . 95 . . . Their rules, all good . But when you try to > move up to 3GB a month, they make you pay $10 . 00! And > the worst thing about ScamxTRA is that you have to > pay $10 more if your not on Telecom!" > > drb1, just authenticate yourself . Some sellers make > their auction "Star: authenticated buyers only" . > > It is well worth $10 . > > TradeMe is not a scam . > > Cheers George I don’t need to, on principle, I wont . Because I don’t agree with making honest buyers, buy blind because they have not paid up front . VERY LOW TACTICS . Member only auctions only limit the buyer pool . They are another Trademe underhanded tactic . I have yet to check Trademe sale stats, in real floor Auctions, more sales are settled by “negotiation” than under the Hammer . The Trademe single blunt offer system kills many possible negotiated sales . The stupid flaw in the Trademe member only auctions, is that if you watch a "Member only Auction" that does not result in a sale, as a Watcher who is not "Authenticated" you will still be allowed to participate in the offer proses, and make a purchase . I have done this . If that is not inconsistent, and hypocritical what is? Trademe can’t get the money for the sale from a member, then take any money going, Who? Is Scamming Whom?	drb1 (4492)
269785	2004-09-08 06:11:00	> Who? Is Scamming Whom? When you are a seller, do you sell to the lowest or the highest bidder? Strangely, the owners of trade-me wish to maximise their returns too. If you think they are charging too much, it should be easy enough to undercut them, take all their trade and retire to live a comfortable retirement before you turn 20. If you were compelled to use their service and the world prevented from competing, that would be worthy of a bit of ire and fury. Cheers R2	R2x1 (4628)
269786	2004-09-08 06:11:00	No one. Its a pay system,live with it or move on.	metla (154)
269787	2004-09-08 06:27:00	Oh to see 20 Again, Principle is principle, Scam is Scam . These Unethical Roughtster’s are about to move into Property, in volume . That is the largest investment most Nzer’s make in their lives . Scamme does not belong in Real estate . "	drb1 (4492)
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