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| Thread ID: 48961 | 2004-09-06 07:38:00 | O.T Quick Laugh at Scamme. | drb1 (4492) | Press F1 |
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| 269768 | 2004-09-06 13:56:00 | Thanks drb1 Lots of food for thought there. |
Laura (43) | ||
| 269769 | 2004-09-06 14:37:00 | > Thanks drb1 > Lots of food for thought there. Laura, N.W. |
drb1 (4492) | ||
| 269770 | 2004-09-06 20:25:00 | Small/large update that may intrested some, Ever brought or sold any thing on Trademe, put your Trademe name in google and see what happens. This explains one of the ways T/m keeps its self at the top of the search list. What other information do they have about YOU thay they have SOLD or LEAKED, or plainly given out to aid their promotion. Some much for the PRIVACY Act and their claims arround it Methink. This is a very recent discovery for me, the more I think about it, the less I like it. Issue to be researched ECT ECT. |
drb1 (4492) | ||
| 269771 | 2004-09-06 21:38:00 | My previous post was not very clear. What I meant was the business is free to change its policies, charges or terms and conditions at any time it sees fit. By the same token the customer is free to agree to the new terms or shop elsewhere. While Trade Me may have upset people with their change of policy and the charging of a registration fee, it is your choice to use it or not. Yes I agree there are some businesses around that get a bit greedy and decide they will charge for this that and everything so they can make more money. I trust the free market economy will let those businesses know rather quickly that consumers must receive value for that money. | Sb0h (3744) | ||
| 269772 | 2004-09-06 21:43:00 | I would tend to agree,Infact i fail to see what the big deal is,its just a site asking for money. Don't like it?.....don't use it then,if enough people leave they may change their policy. As long as they aren't number 1 because they are protected by the govenment then its all sweet as. |
metla (154) | ||
| 269773 | 2004-09-06 22:02:00 | Sorry to keep disagreeing with you guys but with all due respect I don't think I have missed the point. I believe drb1 is not telling the whole story - quotes from one of drb1's earlier posts : >non authenticated members may sell a maximum of 3 items at 1 time. and >have been doing this for some time. So, my understanding is that drb1 is using the TradeMe site to sell items on a regular basis as a non-authenticated member, without paying any fees whatsoever. I suspect that drb1 is creating new user accounts to take advantage of the "credit" you get when opening an account (correct me if I am wrong). Now if drb1 is using multiple accounts then this is in breach of the TradeMe terms and conditions - expect no sympathy for "scams" involving multiple accounts. If TradeMe are disallowing multiple registrations with the same e-mail address then fair enough and if users try to circumvent that by using international throwaway e-mail addresses and are asked to register, then once again I say fair enough and tough luck. If you wish to make use of the features on their site and they ask for payment, either accept that or go away, but don't bring your gripes to this forum if you don't have "clean hands". TradeMe is a business and if people such as drb1 wish to breach their rules then they can expect the consequences and if they wish to use their services for free then they can go to the other free online auction sites (incidentally where there are no buyers or sellers). In the free market, if TradeMe are doing such a terrible job then they will go out of business. If however, you believe that you get what you pay for and TradeMe is a little more expensive than other auction sites, then good on TradeMe, they have got to where they are through staying power and good business management. How many other dot.com companies are still around? What are the listing counts on those free sites? How long do you think those other sites will be around? If you don't like paying fees then go to those other auction sites and don't whinge about TradeMe - you have a choice! I'd be interested to hear the whole story from drb1. How have you managed to trade "for some time" without paying any fees? Are you using multiple TradeMe accounts? Are you using an e-mail address such as yahoo or hotmail to create an account? Give us all of the details drb1 so that the others posters in this thread can have an informed debate, rather than an emotive debate. I think some readers may change their opinion as to who is scamming whom. |
andrew93 (249) | ||
| 269774 | 2004-09-06 23:17:00 | Asumptions are the mother of all ********. I do believe they removed the free credit about a year ago,which blows the entire theroy out of the water. Its more likely Trademe have places restrictions on members who don't have their address verified,This could be motivated by greed,or more likely by forceing the majority of users to upgrade to address verified remove some of the dodgy sellers. Makes perfect sence to me,Good on them. |
metla (154) | ||
| 269775 | 2004-09-06 23:38:00 | > I do believe they removed the free credit about a > year ago,which blows the entire theroy out of the > water. It may validate my theory if drb1 is trying to set up a new account and even if drb1 is not trying to set up a new account then it may be damaging (but not catastrophic) to my argument, as you say - assumptions...... [Repeat] I'd still be interested to hear the whole story from drb1. How have you managed to trade "for some time" without paying any fees? Are you using multiple TradeMe accounts? Are you using an e-mail address such as yahoo or hotmail to create an account? |
andrew93 (249) | ||
| 269776 | 2004-09-07 06:48:00 | > > So, my understanding is that drb1 is using the > TradeMe site to sell items on a regular basis as a > non-authenticated member, without paying any fees > whatsoever . I suspect that drb1 is creating new user > accounts to take advantage of the "credit" you get > when opening an account (correct me if I am wrong) . > Now if drb1 is using multiple accounts then this is > in breach of the TradeMe terms and conditions - > expect no sympathy for "scams" involving multiple > accounts . > > If TradeMe are disallowing multiple registrations > with the same e-mail address then fair enough and if > users try to circumvent that by using international > throwaway e-mail addresses and are asked to register, > then once again I say fair enough and tough luck . If > you wish to make use of the features on their site > and they ask for payment, either accept that or go > away, but don't bring your gripes to this forum if > you don't have "clean hands" . > > TradeMe is a business and if people such as drb1 wish > to breach their rules then they can expect the > consequences and if they wish to use their services > for free then they can go to the other free online > auction sites (incidentally where there are no buyers > or sellers) . In the free market, if TradeMe are > doing such a terrible job then they will go out of > business . If however, you believe that you get what > you pay for and TradeMe is a little more expensive > than other auction sites, then good on TradeMe, they > have got to where they are through staying power and > good business management . How many other dot . com > companies are still around? What are the listing > counts on those free sites? How long do you think > those other sites will be around? If you don't like > paying fees then go to those other auction sites and > don't whinge about TradeMe - you have a choice! > > I'd be interested to hear the whole story from drb1 . > How have you managed to trade "for some time" > without paying any fees? Are you using multiple > TradeMe accounts? Are you using an e-mail address > such as yahoo or hotmail to create an account? Give > us all of the details drb1 so that the others > posters in this thread can have an informed debate, > rather than an emotive debate . > > I think some readers may change their opinion as to > who is scamming whom . So, my understanding is that drb1 is using the TradeMe site to sell items on a regular basis as a non-authenticated member, without paying any fees whatsoever . I suspect that drb1 is creating new user accounts to take advantage of the "credit" you get when opening an account (correct me if I am wrong) . Now if drb1 is using multiple accounts then this is in breach of the TradeMe terms and conditions - expect no sympathy for "scams" involving multiple accounts . No Multiple accounts . No sales = No money owed to Scam me . Any person may advertise 3 items at one time continuosly with out, PAYING to be authenticated . These sellers must pay to Scamme any fees owed . Scammes' rules . You can change the rules any time, if you do it publicly and fairly, It is you business . The sleezy Back door aproach is the problem not open publicized change . Did you realy me to say that Scamme would allow pople to sell for free? There are no dirty hands . no rules have been breached if you enter into a dispute with scam me for long enough you will not have to give a real telephone number . would you like to see their @mail to that effect . There is nothing wrong or illegal about multiple identities on the net, unless it is with fraudlent or other crimminal intent . You are loking for windows on a glass house Most of these are steell reinforced . Do you think I would leave myself open to defamation . nocody on the net is untraceable today if you want to spend the money to find them . Where please did I state that I had not payed fees . Please debunk at will, please get it Right, A legitimate trader who has good positive feed back, who owes Trade me no money, who has not defrauded Trademe of 1 cent . Who has consistently resisted every forced attemp by trade me to pay to be authenticated . who uses a local isp and aan @ address directly linked to that local isp . has been told by Trdeme that he is a forign national an he may not relist his unsold auctions . Unless he pays $10-00 . The traders feedback which I believe trade me have as they claim to own it . Shows clearly that he is a local trader if he is not how did he make all the pickups, and collect all the Mmanukau City parcels . CEDIT when you join Trademe? Dont not steal the conditions from "openallhours . co . nz" who give $50-00 free Advertising credit to all new members, and assign it to trademe, who will only give you free adress verification after you have paid to be autheticated (Does this not include an address check) and have at least 10 positive feed backs . Like telecom T/m provide a service as many others have said it is not the site it was . 80% of the sales are made buy less than 20% of the members . The average buyer has a feed back of less than 59 and dollar sales of less than $200-00 . Scamme is making a fortune ripping of small kiwis and allowing international scammers to do the same, there is a lot of evidence to this effect . The first thing a scammer does is pay $10-00 up front cheap cost (only) cost of business . Definatly who is scamming whom, with what dirty tatics? Anything not answered? anything you wish to know? ask . you dont start something like this unless you can back it up . I can if you wish get for you details of how to trace an id, on Ttrademe to Florida to Canada to Wanganui . It is also on Scammbusters forum . That enviroment may not sit well with your position . Trade me also have this information they "Know" I am not an international trader, This is just another Trademe Scam . P/s Anbody who has become address verified by Spamme ever wondered how some of those "snail mail" spammers got their names and Addresses . As soon as anybody buys or sells one item on Scamme their Scamme id is listed on google, now how does that happen I wonder? |
drb1 (4492) | ||
| 269777 | 2004-09-07 07:08:00 | Metla, I have no problem with address verification . I believe (would require but dont run the show) all new registrations should be viewer only untill . 1 @ address confirmed genuine ISP address (If hotmail Ect are allowed dont complain when people use them, mainly to protect from spam) 2 Nobody should be allowed to sell untill they can prove at their expence . That their Physical address, their name and their @address belong toghether . For foriegn nationals this should be confirmed by an independent source (J . P Ect) . Trademe Want a contact @address Your Land line number (so they can ring you if you owe them, Which they dont check unless you owe them) and $10-00 up front . Then its go rip off as many kiwis as you like, as long as you pay we dont care . Its not to expensive to do the above you Make all the sellers pay for it themselves . Of course if you did this, you wouldnt have a false Member total of 60-000+ (Check) which you use to increase your advertising revenues . This borders on fraud it is being looked into . Who is realy Scamming whom? |
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