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Thread ID: 136518	2014-03-08 07:08:00	Death of XP Support	Poppa John (284)	Press F1

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1369778	2014-03-08 20:45:00	@paul. The netbook here has only got a 1.66 CPU and 2 GB. It'd be slower than yours (dont think it's dual core). But it runs Win7 fine. It even ran XP mode with no probs at all	Speedy Gonzales (78)
1369779	2014-03-08 21:02:00	Poppa John, you have been on the forum for a long time, so you will be pretty much up with the play about what to do and what not to do to avoid infections. Don't worry about an AV program at all. This computer is running XP, has been for years, no AV, never had an infection as far as I can remember. I think I have my wife trained to be careful on the computer, and usually mention to her about dodgy things on the internet, as they come up. Must admit Ransomware sounded really bad! What do you reckon Speedy? You are a "no AV" man, aren't you? I have to admit I have Linux on an older computer, and use that on the web if I want to do something "unusual". Thats a good laugh for a sunday :) Please explain then why so many people get their computers infected, and its a safe bet to say at lest 90% of most computer repair work is due to infections or unwanted installs. Your own post contradicts its self by saying the ransom ware sounded really bad, reasonably sure people dont put that stuff on on purpose, and you can get that from anywhere ;) Theres been plenty of times IE8 which is on XP is to old to work on some sites, and you need either FF or Chrome to use sites.	wainuitech (129)
1369780	2014-03-08 21:13:00	Well I dont have any AV programs on these (2 PC's and a netbook). Besides Windows defender. Havent had any since I installed windows (tried MSE, it doubled the boot time, so removed it). I've never had probs with not having one. Myself I think its a load of crap that you need one. Altho I dont know about NOD, because I've never used it. But the only way I would pay for one would be if it was a one off payment. I wouldnt waste my money paying for one every 6 mths / yearly or every 2-3 years	Speedy Gonzales (78)
1369781	2014-03-08 21:14:00	However good or Bad MSSE is an AV program so if you have it you do have one. NOD32 is better if you can afford it but not needed. I think personally if you can make a system image and store it safely there's no real risk.	dugimodo (138)
1369782	2014-03-08 21:17:00	If I wanted to use XP on the netbook (if I went backwards from 7 to XP). I would just make an ISO with Nlite or something. Since from April there wont be any more updates. So it wouldnt really matter if it got infected with something. I would just extract the ISO to a USB flash drive, boot from it then reinstall XP. And its up to date	Speedy Gonzales (78)
1369783	2014-03-08 21:44:00	Don't worry about an AV program at all. This computer is running XP, has been for years, no AV, never had an infection as far as I can remember. I think I have my wife trained to be careful on the computer, and usually mention to her about dodgy things on the internet, as they come up. Must admit Ransomware sounded really bad! I have to admit I have Linux on an older computer, and use that on the web if I want to do something "unusual". It may surprise you but you don't have to go to 'dodgy' websites, download dodgy email attachments etc, to get malware. Remember the Blaster worm? You didn't have to download or do anything to get it. You just had to be connected to the internet: The worm spread by exploiting a buffer overflow discovered by the Polish security research group Last Stage of Delirium[4] in the DCOM RPC service on the affected operating systems, for which a patch had been released one month earlier in MS03-026 and later in MS03-039. This allowed the worm to spread without users opening attachments simply by spamming itself to large numbers of random IP addresses. (en.wikipedia.org) This is why I do not understand people who don't keep up to date with their Windows updates, and who don't run some kind of AV. With XP come end of support soon the situation will be worse. There are likely to be new holes found, and Microsoft will not be patching them up. With the large market share that XP still has, and without updates, it will be a very viable platform for malware writers for some time to come. Now, with the patches stopped, you have to rely solely on your Antivirus, and hope it can detect and stop any Zero-day malware (en.wikipedia.org) Except, you're not running an AV either. All I can say is "Good Luck" For me, XP will be gone from my main machines, and relegated to offline tasks like running old programs\games etc no longer compatible with Windows 7 and up. Yes I love XP to death, but I'm not about to compromise my system security over the nostalgia.	Agent_24 (57)
1369784	2014-03-08 22:08:00	Can you please explain what is meant by that ? If you mean Nod32 blocks bad sites and suspect / infected downloads then its doing its job. ONLY time you should get any sort of pop up is when something nasty or suspect is detected,and a popup that disappears after a few seconds when doing its updates. Lately seen several computers that have had MSSE totally disabled and destroyed by infections, the post you mentioned relating to Trojans is one ( typical) Re Nod 32. probably my lack of experience with Nod. There were popups coming often. I have had other AV programmes in the past which were much worse than Nod for asking permissions etc. Still dont know which way to jump. No way is a new computer going to happen. The infected laptop is a Toshiba L10 with 750MB of ram. An earlier thread reply says that 1GB of ram is max for this L10. So regardless of what the Techie did or did not do, I have got a laptop again for $30. PJ	Poppa John (284)
1369785	2014-03-08 22:26:00	Re Nod 32. probably my lack of experience with Nod. There were popups coming often. In that case itt would have been warning you or detecting problems. Thats the only time you get any sort of poup mesage. Unless you are talking about Smart security, which has the firewall as well, and thats set to interactive mode ( which is not the default), even then once its been set you wouldn't get popups unless something had changed or was wrong. Good on ya if they only charged $30, wouldn't be surprised if theres still infections reappear later on, hopefully not, BUT if they do watch out as they may try charge you again. One company in wgtn is good for doing that sort of thing, only does quick scans and then within days the problems back and they want to recharge to fix again, and blame the person for reinfecting. Example of scaning times: got one going right now, XP, roughly 40GB of space used on drive, Running malwarebytes in FULL scan mode, so far its been going for 1 1/4 hours, it didn't start finding problems until at least 90% of the way through. A quick scan would have missed them.	wainuitech (129)
1369786	2014-03-09 20:40:00	Many (most ??) XP PC's I see arnt running regular Win updates anyway, so its death date is not a big issue, wont be any different for many PC's . It IS a good way to sell new PC's , put a bit of fear into the people. Its just a good Headline for online articles & blogs .	1101 (13337)
1369787	2014-03-09 20:43:00	It IS a good way to sell new PC's , put a bit of fear into the people. It's at least partially justified IMO. I can see hackers finding exploits in XP but not releasing the details immediately, instead waiting until 9 April then letting hell loose.	pcuser42 (130)
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