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Thread ID: 49553	2004-09-23 03:05:00	Axper Brand Mobos anyone tried one ?	the highlander (245)	Press F1

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274791	2004-09-23 04:10:00	>>What are you measuring - price, features or performance? all three,plus stability. And i get quite a few people "knowingly" buying ECS boards.	metla (154)
274792	2004-09-23 07:35:00	"Wouldnt that be a bad thing? The extra plug on the motherboard is there for a reason." No quite the opposite, saved them from buying a new p4 p/s or adapter. And yes it is there for a reason but asrock managed to get around it and utilise older power supplies with the mobo design. Out of the 20 odd I've used 19 are still going strong. They have dropped it now though.	the highlander (245)
274793	2004-09-23 07:45:00	"And i get quite a few people "knowingly" buying ECS boards." I have had some bad experiences with ecs/pc chips boards and while they have no doubt improved their record and got there manure together, buying one again is another thing. Once bitten many times shy. The same thing would occur if my beloved asus boards spit the collective dummies on me. I probably wouldn't touch them with a barge pole.	the highlander (245)
274794	2004-09-23 07:59:00	> No quite the opposite, saved them from buying a new > p4 p/s or adapter. > And yes it is there for a reason but asrock managed > to get around it and utilise older power supplies > with the mobo design. Out of the 20 odd I've used 19 > are still going strong. > They have dropped it now though. Care to explain how Asrock managed to get around the problem? I really do doubt that some how Asrock magically figured out how to obtain more current from the 12v rail while still maintaining a stabily and usable power source. Just because a motherboard doesnt have the extra plug doesnt mean it should have been removed. The extra plug gives the motherboard/CPU its own dedicated 12v rail, thus providing a smoother and more consistant power supply. Not using this extra connector can result in system instability. It really does depend on the hardware used, im guessing most of the systems youve built for family are pretty basic possibly consisting of 1 optical drive and 1 harddrive. A setup such as that probably wouldnt tax the 12v rail all that much and would probably be the reason everything is running fine. I'd be interested to know what sort of PSU's youve been using? From what youve said it seems your using quite old PSU's possibly from older P3 or P2 systems? Unless they are particularly high quality i would be surprised to hear your not suffering from stability problems?	Pete O'Neil (250)
274795	2004-09-23 08:24:00	"It really does depend on the hardware used, im guessing most of the systems youve built for family are pretty basic" Right on the nail. All (well almost) were used to upgrade p2s and early k6 systems at the most basic level. Use power supply, existing optical drives,cases floppies, operating system, ditch crappy vid cards and use onboard vga and use existing modem hardrives etc etc. New mobo, mem and cpu went in. Not pretty but a hell of an improvement over a cyrix m2 or a cacheless celeron 266. And you are correct some of the power supplies were probably verging on barely adequete (some downright ugly) but none of them were ever likely to drop in a tv tuner card or other hungry periphials. never had any of these systems exhibit any symptoms of instability on these boards that can be attributed to p/s problems. In fact, apart from a leaking capacitor on one they all have been remarkably stable. I get see them on a regular basis due to usual wetware problems no hardware. As to how asrock did it . I don't know. I don't proffess to know squat about power supplies apart from its bad to stick a butter knife into one.	the highlander (245)
274796	2004-09-23 22:46:00	"The extra plug gives the motherboard/CPU its own dedicated 12v rail, thus providing a smoother and more consistant power supply. Not using this extra connector can result in system instability." Only very latest ATX spec has provision for 2 +12V rails. The earlier "P4" connector was purely because the amount of +12V drawn by the MB from the PSU was more than the existing single pin in the ATX connector was rated for. The extra plug was to prevent voltage drop and plug melt down.	PaulD (232)
274797	2005-06-08 00:18:00	I've set up two axper mobos using P4 3.0ghz processors. I used XP-P51M800GV. The mobos are great at the price. Don't expect whizz bangs. They come with all the right built ins including 2 sata ports and having a slot for a separate video card (AGU). It also supports dual channel DDR400. The north bridge uses intel 865GV chipset. Only grouse I have is that there are only 2 DDR dimm slots. There are 4 usb at the rear and 2 more on the board for front connection. This board allows you to use the older 478 Power pack as it requires the 20 pin ATX power connector. The ATX 12 volt connector connects slightly behind the processor. The snag here is, you have to remove the powerpack to connect the 12 volt connector. Otherwise, you must have dainty hands or use tweezers if you you don't want to balance the powerpack wile connecting. On the whole, it was easy to setup and run. Try it. You may like it....	angstrom (6185)
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