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277585 2004-10-02 14:27:00 Cromwell BIOS (unmodded.mine.nu)
XBox Linux (http://www.xbox-linux.org/)

To quote the XBox Linux website:
If you believe anything on this site violates any law or any of your rights, please contact us so that we can find a quick solution.

So, Metla - If you manage to sue these guys, how do you plan on spending your millions?!

XBox Media Center (http://www.xboxmediacenter.com/)
They cannot distribute Binaries that have been made with Microsofts XDK. They are creating an Open-Source XDK (Xbox Development Kit) to compile code for an XBox, which will allow the free distribution of Binaries for the likes of XBMC which are fully Open-Sourced!

And yes, AFAIK you _can_ install XMBC without a Mod-Chip :-)

Im still failling to see the illegality of this all??


Chill. 		Chilling_Silence (9)
277586 2004-10-02 14:28:00 Thats not to say i care,i only delved into the subject to give a little background as to why you need dvd software installed in order to playback DVD's even if you use Windows Media Player, The codec required is commercial property. metla (154)
277587 2004-10-02 14:31:00 > As to your dvd playing software,Its crooked,your
> crooked,the peeps who came up with it are crooked,the
> reason they get away with it will be due to there
> location and being headless.
>
>

So who has the most kinks them, or M/S, who get away from Antitrust settelments by procrastanatiing untill they get an Attorney Gnerall they can buy off?

All the while stealing more free Linux software by Coppywrighting it, when it has been free for years, and making folk pay to contest the Copywright. Allthough they did loose on the FAT issue.

D. 		drb1 (4492)
277588 2004-10-02 14:31:00 why would i sue anyone?,its no skin off my nose, hell ,ive got a bunch of codec packs that have dvd codecs in them.

And for what its worth,its not ilegal to modchip an xbox,its ilegal to run the modified MS code. 		metla (154)
277589 2004-10-02 14:36:00 > > As to your dvd playing software,Its crooked,your
> > crooked,the peeps who came up with it are
> crooked,the
> > reason they get away with it will be due to there
> > location and being headless.
> >
> >
>
> So who has the most kinks them, or M/S, who get away
> from Antitrust settelments by procrastanatiing untill
> they get an Attorney Gnerall they can buy off?
>
> All the while stealing more free Linux software by
> Coppywrighting it, when it has been free for years,
> and making folk pay to contest the Copywright.
> Allthough they did loose on the FAT issue.
>
> D.

So now the defence is they have the moral right to do so because MS whom have nothing to do with the DVD codec are a monopoly?

Lmao,i think the waters are getting clouded. 		metla (154)
277590 2004-10-02 14:45:00 Metla,

You say they ("VLC") are "Crooked", I disagree .

I am not trying to cloud .

I was definately not trying to justify what I do not consider a sin, by highlighting the sins (In my opinion) of others .

I am asking who in your opinion is the most bent, considering all the twisted behaviour of both . due mainly to the stupid attitude of M/S and their Cohorts .

D . 		drb1 (4492)
277591 2004-10-02 21:14:00 Just to clarify, ( I thought Metla and others were joking when saying their posts would get increasingly deluded as the night\morning wore on)

I don't know how Binary concluded that either the site posted or the file contained therein was Warez, perhaps he could enlighten us, otherwise I suggest if he wants to become a policeman he learns the first principals of law enforcement.

The other rantings about cracked codecs etc are also a lot of drivel.

The msi file being linked to is actually called DVDpack, it has been around as freeware since 2002, if it was illegal, it would have been pounced on long ago by the powers in the industry,who hate seeing freeware made available that often does as good or better less bloated job than the stuff they want you to pay for.

The same applies for videolan, commercial companies hate this product because it is so good (if I was a conspiracy theorist, I would even venture to think that they may pressure some of the big freeware/ shareware sites not to give prominence to this type of product, as it is often linked on the sites but very little mention made of it,making finding it hard if you do not know the name in the first place)

To sum up,

This file does not hack media player in any way, it does not contain cracked codecs either.

It does enable Media Player to play DVD's in the same way that WinDVD does, that is by making the correct codec available to Media Player for the playback of DVD's and by the addition of a couple of lines in the registry turning DVD support on.

Hope this clarifies things for people not sure of the legalities etc.

Regards

AC 		Alan Cottrell (624)
277592 2004-10-02 21:57:00 Bullocks,it requires a commercial lisence to playback DVD's,what your on about is backwards enginerring,ie-cracking the code and circumventing the lisencing process. metla (154)
277593 2004-10-02 22:21:00 As far as I'm aware the only license needed is for the software and the codecs.

To spell it out for you, this link actually shows you what Videolan uses and spells out it is,
F R E E W A R E (loud & slow)and will remain so

developers.videolan.org

It does not need or require any other licences.

If you continue to think your right, try reporting aforementioned software companies to the piracy hot line, I'm sure they could use a good laugh on a Monday morning.

Regards

AC 		Alan Cottrell (624)
277594 2004-10-02 22:49:00 I have just been pointed to this disclaimer,

That does indicate that in some countries (US in particular you should pay a royalty to MPEG LA, this is a one off payment of $2.50 US) so if your worried go pay your $2.50 then sit back and enjoy.

Which means I will concede in certain countries you should pay $2.50 US to use the necessary codec to play DVD's with, I do not know if this applies to NZ or not, so people using Videolan or DVDpack better start saving up $2.50 US for their one time payment to use this MPEG LA codec.

3.3. Is libdvdcss legal?

The use and distribution of the libdvdcss library is controversial in
a few countries such as the United States because of a law called the
DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act). If you are unsure about the
legality of using and distributing this library in your country,
please consult your lawyer.

Note: Beware: VLC media player binaries are distributed with the
libdvdcss library included.

3.4. What about personal/commercial usage?

Some of the codecs distributed with VLC are patented and require you
to pay royalties to their licensors. These are mostly the MPEG style
codecs.

With many products the producer pays the license body (in this case
[31]MPEG LA) so the user (commercial or personal) does not have to
take care of this. VLC (and ffmpeg and libmpeg2 which it uses in most
of these cases) cannot do this because they are Free and Open Source
implementations of these codecs. The software is not sold and
therefore the end-user becomes responsible for complying to the
licensing and royalty requirements. You will need to contact the
licensor on how to comply to these licenses.

This goes for playing a DVD with VLC for your personal joy ($2.50 one
time payment to MPEG LA) as well as for using VLC for streaming a live
event in MPEG-4 over the Internet.

So you are right in far as the US goes, however as far as the rest of the world goes, who knows. and for a worst case scenario of paying the sum of $2.50, I would venture to say who cares.

You are still star gazing with talk of reengineered or cracked codecs though.

Regards

AC 		Alan Cottrell (624)
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