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Thread ID: 49868	2004-10-03 09:19:00	Windows licence jargon	Randolf (75)	Press F1

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277891	2004-10-03 10:17:00	Having 2 machines running off the 1 lisence would be against the eula,but i cant see any harm in using the serial on a different computer then the one it shipped attached to. Who knows,it maybe frowned upon,Personally ive loaded my copy of Win98 on every comp ive ever owned,and used the same serial everytime,Bill has enough money without me double and triple paying him.	metla (154)
277892	2004-10-03 10:48:00	Godfather, Thank you I have often mused about that issue. Metla, I was fishing. Why then do disk refuse to accept genuine codes, sometimes (wrong code to disk correctly entered)? Is this why some malware attemp/steal product codes and ids? D.	drb1 (4492)
277893	2004-10-03 10:49:00	You mean that people actually use Serial Keys when installing Win98 ?:|	Chilling_Silence (9)
277894	2004-10-03 11:03:00	Chill, Not as clever as you. never had resaon not to. Not having much to do with 98 or duplicating Win O/S. Allways thought it wouldnt be that hard to deal with but never really needed to try. D.	drb1 (4492)
277895	2004-10-03 18:55:00	It's mostly like this: Many of these machines on TradeMe come from auctions like Turners who sell hundreds of older branded name machine on behalf of government departments who are upgrading. There have been thousands sold over the last few months. After every auction there is a new flood of TradeMe ads appearing. Most of these machines are network machines with a network card, the depatment has bought a bulk license, and say installed Win98SE on them and stuck the MS license on the side of the machine. That is what is meant by selling the machine with license and sticker. The numbers on these Win98SE stickers will be accepted by most retail full Win98CDs. Many of these machines at the moment are Compaq, the market has been flooded with them. Other machines which have been sold in great numbers are IBM Netvistas. These have had mostly an IBM/MS license sticker on the side for Win2k. The numbers on these stickers will not be accepted by a normal Win2k retail CD. They need an IBM Product Recovery disk, which can be bought from IBM for $82 approx. These are also advertised, or have been, on TM, as having a license sticker, but this is definitely underhandas the IBM disk is needed to use that license. The IBM recovery disk is not limited to one type of machine, it will load onto a whole range of Netvistas and others. As far as IBM are concerned (or so the man I spoke to said), these licenses have already been paid for, so as they are no longer concerned.	Terry Porritt (14)
277896	2004-10-03 20:51:00	A lot of traders on trademe state "Win Xp loaded for demo purposes" this is to show to the buyer that the machine is working properly, as if it doesnt have anything installed and the buyer trys loading os software on but users incorrect drivers then the buyer will most likely say that the pc isnt working properly, in the trader loading an os on for demo purposes this shows the buyer that in fact the pc is working properly. However the OS should be deleted once the buyer has seen the machine working satisfactorly. In regards to the seller having the driver software even if they did have the original drivers they would probably be well outdated and latest drivers can easily be obtained off the internet by the buyer, however sometimes it is hard to find the correct driver.	Lee76 (6051)
277897	2004-10-04 01:27:00	I'm most grateful for this feedback, and feel much better armed!! Just a copy of "flowons" to complete the picture for me: Terry Porritt, you said: "The numbers on these Win98SE stickers will be accepted by most retail full Win98CDs" . If you had a full retail CD, would you in fact need the sticker? Also, are there any reasons why computers with this type of history (networked etc . ) would not be OK for basic home use?	Randolf (75)
277898	2004-10-04 02:05:00	>>If you had a full retail CD, would you in fact need the sticker? 1 serial=1 install,to be legal you need to have a serial for each comp that has an os installed,Win98 however has no inbuilt restrictions to stop you installing it on has many comps as you feel like. Any chance of a link to the auction?	metla (154)
277899	2004-10-04 02:33:00	Randolph, there are Win98 CDs for sale in T&E all the time, many are dubious eg asian fakes from China etc, others are genuine, but without any license . But what I really meant to say was for example ,my Win98SE upgrade CD to my Win98 OEM, bought from Microsoft, has to use it's upgrade Product Key, and that the Product Key on one of these ex-government dept Compaqs will not work with it . In the same way the IBM /Microsoft Win2k license numbers on the NetVistas that flooded the market in recent months cant be used with any old Win2k disk, but only with the IBM Product Recovery CD . Many or most traders on TradeMe did not make this clear, so it was misleading advertising, that was why I said it was underhand . As a matter of interest just type deskpro into TradeMe search and see how many small form factor Compaqs without CD drive are listed . With a bit of nous, you will discern which are 'genuine' private sales, and which are auction re-sales . My own ethical position which may or may not be strictly legal is that if you buy a computer with a license stuck to it (ie at some time someone has paid for it), and you procure a genuine CD without a license ( ie also paid for at some time), (and I know you only 'lease' the right to use the software), then you can mate these two things together . Certainly the IBM man I spoke to was unconcerned about it, he was the one that said the license had already been paid for :) Now I'm sure Godfather will point out the fine legalise for or against this position :D	Terry Porritt (14)
277900	2004-10-04 02:45:00	Randolph, I didnt answer the question would they be ok for home use. The answer is a qualified yes. Avoid small form factor Compaqs that use the slimline CD if there isnt a CD drive. I believe a spare Compaq drive costs about $200!!!!!!!! However I have 2, one with a CD drive one without. The one without CD, Ive jury rigged a standard CD drive with the cables poking out of the cd slot. One of them I run as an ftp server, as well as it being a Win98 'test bed'. I also have a 1GHz IBM NetVista, that goes well, with IBM customised Win2k installed. You wont be able to do much by way of upgrading except ram, maybe cpu, you just have to accept them as they are. Also be aware that the asking TM prices are quite a bit higher than the auction sale prices. But then the buyer has taken all the risk. I would never buy from TradeMe anything like a computer without actually having hands on evaluation, otherwise the risk factor is just the same as buying from Turners, but at inflated price!	Terry Porritt (14)
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