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Thread ID: 135052	2013-09-19 04:01:00	ACC levies on motorists.	mzee (3324)	PC World Chat

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1353884	2013-09-19 04:01:00	The Government is proposing to increase the ACC levy on older cars by as much as $100 a year. They say that this will buy safer (read more expensive) cars. So instead of buying a car for $5,000 I would spend $10,000. Given an average ownership term of 10 years=$1,000 levy, which would make my cheaper car cost $6,000, still $4,000 cheaper than the more expensive one. At the same time, cyclists get away free, no acc, no insurance, no road code, no WOF, and its always the motorists fault. Of course bicycles should not be on the road with motor vehicles. Most countries have real cycle paths and walk ways. In London you can get around on a bicycle and the only time you are on the road is at traffic lights. Same in Stratford upon Avon	mzee (3324)
1353885	2013-09-19 04:46:00	This old argument AGAIN!!!?? **** me! Are you trolling? no acc, no insurance, no road code, no WOF, and its always the motorists fault . Cyclists pay ACC levies - most are employed, many own 1 or more motor vehicles and the levies come from there . If you want nother group that "doesn't pay ACC" (HA!) you could look at rugby players / netball players etc . I would guarantee those groups account for more ACC spend than cyclists . No insurance? So what? The amount of damage a cycle can do to a larger vehicle is minimal (leaving aside the fact that accidents involving cyclists and another vehicle are in the main, the fault of the other vehicle) No Road Code? Bullshit! Cyclists have to obey the same rules that motorists do - WHETHER they do or not is up to the individual cyclist (same as a motorist) and the enforcement authorities No WOF? Seriously? If a cyclist is idiot enough to get on a bike that has faulty brakes (there's bugger all else that can go wrong with a bike), then they will get their just desserts . Always the motorists fault? Yep, usually . Of course bicycles should not be on the road with motor vehicles . What planet are you from? Bicycles have been around for a lot longer than cars - in fact, if it wasn't for the bicycle (requiring nice smooth surfaces to ride on) we wouldn't have roads like we do today . Footpaths are for FEET . Cycleways are damn expensive to retrofit and generally used by "weekend tootlers" - anyone riding for fitness/competition/commuting will be riding at speeds that would make cycleways unsafe for other users, so these groups will ride on the road . All road users need to be considerate to ALL other road users - whether they are motorised or not .	johcar (6283)
1353886	2013-09-19 04:52:00	They need to encourage newer vehicles. NZs fleet is, by and large, far too populated with old, poorly-maintained vehicles (this bit is more important than the age, of course). As for cyclists, just like motorists there are a big percentage of cyclists who should not be on the road (for example, on the way home last night there was some idiot riding in the centre of the lane, no helmet, at about 15kmh in a 60kmh zone, holding up traffic - pull over towards the side, get some proper safety gear, and maintain a reasonable speed). Doesn't mean those that do follow the rules and do it right should be penalised, imo.	inphinity (7274)
1353887	2013-09-19 05:02:00	Its just another tax increase on those who can least afford it. Yes its a tax, call it what it is. It will make ZERO difference to the age of NZ cars. Most drive old cars because thats all they can afford . Id love to have a 5 year old car, will the govt please buy me one. Where is the ACTUAL proof that old cars (not the drivers of old cars) cost the ACC $1 more than new cars...... there isnt any, they just pull numbers out of thin air . Isnt a head on crash in a 15 year old car just as likely to kill as a head on in a small/micro modern car. Lets not get distracted with who doesnt pay their fair share of ACC levies, that wont help here (ACC levies on sports & recreation is political suicide) Where are the ACC increases on small/micro cars. Surely just as dangerous in a major prang as an old car ?????	1101 (13337)
1353888	2013-09-19 07:18:00	Most drive old cars because thats all they can afford And thats the biggest reason. Not everyones got money to buy newer cars.	wainuitech (129)
1353889	2013-09-19 07:45:00	When I was a kid my bicycle had a WOF & Road tax plate. I had to pass a road code test. Did not need a helmet. Where I lived the main road had about 4 cars a day on it and was gravel. All other roads were private.	mzee (3324)
1353890	2013-09-19 08:33:00	I have noticed over the last couple of years a new attitude to cyclists here in Hawkes Bay. Drivers seem to have more respect for cyclists. I drive between 7.30am and 9.30am, them 2.30pm till 4.30 each day getting kids to school. I pickup and drop off in urban areas where the worst offenders on bikes are schoolkids. Honestly it is a wonder there isn't more knocked off their bikes. Generally adults on bikes are no problem. This pleases me as I have just bought a new bike, mainly for therapeutical use. Since having a new hip and then a minor stroke last year I have been wanting to get back on a bike. I can do most things reasonably well but can't handle getting on and off a full sized mans bike. so I have bought a step through model and am going to give it a blast during the school holidays. SWMBO is pleased about this all and we look forward to riding the cycle trails here in The Bay. As you say Johcar we all pay ACC levies and that is that!!! Ken (where is the bicycle smilie please Mods :) )	kenj (9738)
1353891	2013-09-19 08:34:00	Maybe a graduated scale would be better.... extra $5 per year of vehicle age beyond 10. Oops - no that's too tough on the vintage car owner. Maybe exemption from the extra $100 if the driver and car can pass a govt test. Oops - bad idea. Charge for the tests would probably be more than $100. Maybe mileage based? (Kilometrage-based?) All the possibilities have the same conclusion - unfair on too many.	coldot (6847)
1353892	2013-09-19 08:55:00	I have a question for the cyclists here, and that is how well your Lycra protected you last time you hit the road? I'm still amazed at what little protection you wear. I won't even duck to the shop without wearing full safety gear on a motorbike....... Here is a link of my youngest hitting the pavement earlier this year. Not for the faint hearted. m.youtube.com	plod (107)
1353893	2013-09-19 08:59:00	You let your kids on the road with skateboards etc and no helmet? Yet you put on your safety gear...?	Jen (38)
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