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| Thread ID: 135101 | 2013-09-24 22:10:00 | America's Cup | Lurking (218) | PC World Chat |
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| 1354297 | 2013-09-26 04:21:00 | Yep its in the rules and it was approved ( NZ did question it). Hardly call it choking because the team didn't have the money. Its a rich mans game, there's no argument there. Choking is when everything is even and nothing has changed then suddenly because the pressure comes on you cant match it. Just because you dont have the money is NOT choking. Its simply not having the funds to make things better like the opposition. Lets say you did running, you were winning a long distance race - 500Mtrs from the finish you fell because a dog ran out and you badly sprained your leg and cant even stand, going by your definition YOU CHOKED. When in fact you didn't you simply couldn't finish due to injury. |
wainuitech (129) | ||
| 1354298 | 2013-09-26 04:36:00 | Yep its in the rules and it was approved ( NZ did question it). Hardly call it choking because the team didn't have the money. Its a rich mans game, there's no argument there. Choking is when everything is even and nothing has changed then suddenly because the pressure comes on you cant match it. Just because you dont have the money is NOT choking. Its simply not having the funds to make things better like the opposition. Lets say you did running, you were winning a long distance race - 500Mtrs from the finish you fell because a dog ran out and you badly sprained your leg and cant even stand, going by your definition YOU CHOKED. When in fact you didn't you simply couldn't finish due to injury. You made your point they didn't "choke" But they did turn up under resourced and poorly prepared to face the level of competition (money) that is entirely their fault, Oracle "brought the hand" |
DeSade (984) | ||
| 1354299 | 2013-09-26 05:22:00 | You made your point they didn't "choke" But they did turn up under resourced and poorly prepared to face the level of competition (money) that is entirely their fault, Oracle "brought the hand" They certainly were not poorly prepared, just look at the results in the beginning before Oracle spent some more money making changes. As I said before I think we were very unlucky the way everything unfolded with the wind and time limits, with the 3 races that were abandoned when we were in front it was just giving Oracle more time to makes adjustments and, as it turns out, test them against our boat. |
CYaBro (73) | ||
| 1354300 | 2013-09-26 05:55:00 | They certainly were not poorly prepared, just look at the results in the beginning before Oracle spent some more money making changes. As I said before I think we were very unlucky the way everything unfolded with the wind and time limits, with the 3 races that were abandoned when we were in front it was just giving Oracle more time to makes adjustments and, as it turns out, test them against our boat. Oracle realized they were losing and spent some money to make improvements to make them go faster. New Zealand realized Oracle were now faster than them but had no money to do anything about it. Either poor planning in not raising enough cash or simply not good enough to respond to the changing conditions (Oracles speed increase) So which is it, Did they not have the cash to make their own improvements to wring out more speed? Oracle proved there was lot more speed to find. Or was it that the engineers were not good enough to respond on the fly to the Oracle speed changes? Either way it was poor planning. |
DeSade (984) | ||
| 1354301 | 2013-09-26 06:12:00 | Well look at this way then, with the money they did have they did well. Oracle built big warehouses on the water front where they could build/change pretty much anything they wanted on the boat, TNZ didn't. Home game/field advantage you could also say I guess. |
CYaBro (73) | ||
| 1354302 | 2013-09-26 06:16:00 | Well look at this way then, with the money they did have they did well. Oracle built big warehouses on the water front where they could build/change pretty much anything they wanted on the boat, TNZ didn't. Home game/field advantage you could also say I guess. You are correct but you are also not. No matter how you slice it TNZ turned up to a $1000 table with $600/$700 This game is about money, nothing more, and TNZ did not have enough to cover their campaign to the end. |
DeSade (984) | ||
| 1354303 | 2013-09-26 06:23:00 | Larry had about 20 of the best designers in boat building, aerodynamics, hydraulics, etc. etc. flown in and spent all nighters getting their boat modified. As to the electronic / hydraulic system, if it did come from Boeing it's bloody doubtful whether NZ could even buy it ... all the PC and Intellectual Property etc. DeSade ... try giving Boeing a call and see if you can get one of those systems Oracle used, I'd be most interested to hear how you get on and how much it would cost if you're successful in obtaining one ... Oh ... and one more thing, ask them whether you can borrow one or two of their engineers to install it for you. Yes ... I agree that the almighty dollar played a big part, but changing the rules 1/2 way through the regatta was just plain wrong but typical of the way US and Ozzie play the game ... you honestly didn't think they would play fair did you ??? And lets not forget that a Kiwi was one of the main design engineers for Oracle ... running our engineers down is just plain wrong. |
SP8's (9836) | ||
| 1354304 | 2013-09-26 06:27:00 | Have a read of this article and then try telling me just how pi$$ poor our design engineers are ... www.stuff.co.nz |
SP8's (9836) | ||
| 1354305 | 2013-09-26 06:34:00 | Larry had about 20 of the best designers in boat building, aerodynamics, hydraulics, etc. etc. flown in and spent all nighters getting their boat modified. As to the electronic / hydraulic system, if it did come from Boeing it's bloody doubtful whether NZ could even buy it ... all the PC and Intellectual Property etc. DeSade ... try giving Boeing a call and see if you can get one of those systems Oracle used, I'd be most interested to hear how you get on and how much it would cost if you're successful in obtaining one ... Oh ... and one more thing, ask them whether you can borrow one or two of their engineers to install it for you. Yes ... I agree that the almighty dollar played a big part, but changing the rules 1/2 way through the regatta was just plain wrong but typical of the way US and Ozzie play the game ... you honestly didn't think they would play fair did you ??? And lets not forget that a Kiwi was one of the main design engineers for Oracle ... running our engineers down is just plain wrong. I know its not the engineers mate, I used that to prove my point. Till NZ plans for the cheating bastards and takes that into account.... Till NZ brings enough money to the game to play the game properly.... They don't have a snowballs chance in hell of winning this fairly. |
DeSade (984) | ||
| 1354306 | 2013-09-26 09:00:00 | My only comment is what John Key said... "bugger!" | Greg (193) | ||
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