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Thread ID: 135001	2013-09-12 10:31:00	Pathetic New Zealand Farmers!	mzee (3324)	PC World Chat

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1353412	2013-09-14 21:52:00	It's called sarcasm..... Poor farmers - affording expensive guns....see..... Ohh! I see..... silly me. But you have to admit, the guy's got class. I don't think I'd be admitting that sort of expenditure to your typical TP syndrome NZer.	jcr1 (893)
1353413	2013-09-15 00:12:00	I have no problem with Cicero's farmer friend buying a $42K shotgun - he can obviously afford it and is not in the Cicero's category of 'poor farmers'. That's the big problem with generalisations - they are often wrong...	johcar (6283)
1353414	2013-09-15 03:01:00	Spend along time dead, might as well have a good shotgun whilst alive. Plus it would be tax deductible for a farm to kill things.	prefect (6291)
1353415	2013-09-15 03:48:00	I have no problem with Cicero's farmer friend buying a $42K shotgun - he can obviously afford it and is not in the Cicero's category of 'poor farmers'. That's the big problem with generalisations - they are often wrong... And it's a claimable expense....comes off income at profit&loss. I think he was meaning what is a poor farmer? Can't say I met any..... The sheep farmers complained a fair bit - wool not worth anything, low prices for lambs and so on. Still even the most complaining one in 2 years bought: A BMW for 16yr old daughter - OK, it was USED. An electric wall heater cause the woodburner was not keeping up and they hated drawing the curtains and wearing jumpers. 2 trips to Aussie Jeans @ $120 a pair for them and kiddies Double glazing A new kitchen A new TV for the wall A new pen for the pet pig A quad bike for the 12 yr old son Such is the struggle farmers go through.	pctek (84)
1353416	2013-09-15 08:39:00	I'd be very surprised if the IRD allowed him to claim $42K on the purchase of a shotgun, given that you can pick up a serviceable gun for about a grand. They would look pretty closely at that capital purchase if he tried it...	johcar (6283)
1353417	2013-09-15 09:04:00	Being from a farming background myself I can see cicero's farmer friend and how he could own a $42,000 Shot Gun,he must be also a Trap Shooter of some note Right ,he is probably a ex sheep/cropping farmer 200/250 Hec who was a early dairy conversion adopter with a higher order sharemilker or son sharefarming drives either a near new Ford Ranger or Hilux with the wife driving a 5 year old Corolla or Accord,if he was originally from the North Island the wife will have a Audi or a Tourag 90% of Dairy Farmers have or had very easy access to Mortgages with the Fonterra Shares used as collateral,so with 2/5 Mill borrowed with a hefty overdraft facility and the means to service borrowings $42,000 for a sport I guess is not to bad,some lose that in depreciation on a new vehicle in 2 years Look at your Doctors,Lawyers and Dentists and how many drive Jap imports?,all would drive $100,000 plus Euros	Lawrence (2987)
1353418	2013-09-16 08:53:00	Look at your Doctors,Lawyers and Dentists and how many drive Jap imports?,all would drive $100,000 plus Euros LOL really?? You need to get out more . Try Toyota, Honda, Isuzu, Great Wall . . . Which funnily enough are also the marques my farming relatives drive too . :D	Winston001 (3612)
1353419	2013-09-16 09:13:00	So, the farmers can't milk the cows, or pump water because there is no power! What is wrong with having a Diesel powered generator standby? Don't even need that, just a small stationary engine running the compressor, and a petrol powered water pump. NZ is an advanced developed nation with extensive electricity networks. We rarely experience power outages anywhere in the country for more than a few hours. Even when I was a boy on the farm in the 1970s we had electricity drops twice a year at the most. Very few businesses in NZ buy and store generators on the off-chance electricity will be cut off for more than a day. Do you know of any factories with MW generators? Most of them don't farm. All they do is milk cows. If it doesn't rain they are short of water. If it rains they have floods. Building dams would take care of this. And in dry areas farmers do try to store water but it isn't easy. To construct a dam you have to go through a resource consent process with engineering reports up the wazoo and your downstream neighbours are likely to object etc etc. Some Farmers are trying to carry a lot of stock on land which is not suitable for farming, should be Forrest. This I do agree with. I was astonished to learn that Canterbury (our version of Outback Australia) produces more milk than Southland. Somethings wrong. Pour a bucket of water onto Taranaki or Southland soil and it will be slowly soaked up into deep loam. Do the same in Canterbury and the water disappears immediately through sand and gravel. We should farm to the conditions (which are being ignored) but in time Nature is a great leveller. Excessive irrigation has poisoned land around the Caspian Sea and in Australia.	Winston001 (3612)
1353420	2013-09-16 09:34:00	I agree these farms should have a back up generator it would not have to be that big an expensive just power lights, vacuum pump and a bit of other stuff. Quite correct also an engine powered water pump to pump out waste and for clean down hoses. Seems unbelievable a multi million operation does not have a backup systems. In the days when a cow farm was 120 acres running 60 - 80 cows it was possible to run pumps and the milking machines off a pto. Current dairy farms run a minimum of 320 cows and its a busy operation.	Winston001 (3612)
1353421	2013-09-16 09:42:00	. Was owning a pool encouraged at one stage, as a reserve of water for fire fighting? That kinda rings a bell . Yes . A firefighting pool/reserve was and still is required by some local authorities . Also in the 1970s for a brief period there was an incentive to build concrete silage pits, which some farmers filled with water in the summer for their kids to have fun . Then it was a pain to drain etc and the idea faded away .	Winston001 (3612)
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