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Thread ID: 135052	2013-09-19 04:01:00	ACC levies on motorists.	mzee (3324)	PC World Chat

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1353894	2013-09-19 09:00:00	... If you want nother group that "doesn't pay ACC" (HA!) you could look at rugby players / netball players etc. I would guarantee those groups account for more ACC spend than cyclists. ... +1	bk T (215)
1353895	2013-09-19 09:18:00	You let your kids on the road with skateboards etc and no helmet? Yet you put on your safety gear...? Well Jen, he was in tauranga on an organised Christian youth group skate camp. I was in wellington being not Christian. The little **** bags told the leaders they would skate to the park, helmet was in the van. He got a bollocking when he got home. Since learnt he had been going this on the terrace in wellington and also the hill by the kelbun Vic uni campus. First time on film first accident. We insist he wears long pants and not shorts, we also ask him to use the helmet when he is in the bowl or on ramps, although he is mostly a street skater. He has learnt his lesson.	plod (107)
1353896	2013-09-19 09:33:00	We don't live in America where interest rates on car purchases is under 4%. I can't afford 14% interest rates, if the government were to help me out with that I'd gladly buy a newer, safer, more economical car.	Cato (6936)
1353897	2013-09-20 09:13:00	I have a question for the cyclists here, and that is how well your Lycra protected you last time you hit the road? I'm still amazed at what little protection you wear. I won't even duck to the shop without wearing full safety gear on a motorbike....... Here is a link of my youngest hitting the pavement earlier this year. Not for the faint hearted. m.youtube.com Lycra is not known for its protective abilities, it's a calculated risk that cyclists take - hoping that a 1.5 tonne chunk of metal doesn't try to take them out (there's no protection for that, except maybe common sense - but even then it's not 100%). By the same token, try getting on a bike wearing long pants and a heavy-ish jacket and then ride 80km at an average speed of 25km/h and see how far you get!! :D Cyclists aren't generally travelling at "fatal-if-you-fall-off" speeds like motorcyclists are. Sure they'll get some gravel-rash coming off at 25-40km/h, but they heal up pretty quick (so long as you get al the little stones out from under the skin - that's what wire-brushes are for!!:horrified :stare: :eek: )	johcar (6283)
1353898	2013-09-20 13:29:00	I'm an occasional casual cyclist and I wouldn't be caught dead in lycra, and there's a lot of you that wear it I wish I hadn't seen.I understand serious cyclists and the like wearing it, but not for me cruising round the streets on a nice weekend afternoon thank you. I think it's totally unneeded for casual cyclists and people riding 5K's to work as well, but that's their choice and they are welcome to it. As to the levy, I understand the reasoning but it won't work, it's just punishing the poor. The example of a $10k vs $5k car is flawed also. Odds are high that the $5K would not last the full 10 years without major repairs at some point, and it would probably cost more to keep it on the road. yes there are exceptions and some very reliable cheap cars, but on average older cars break down more it's fairly obvious. It's not that a $5k car works out cheaper than a $10K car over a 10 year period necessarily , it's simply that some people can never afford the up front purchase price and have to settle for the cheaper car.	dugimodo (138)
1353899	2013-09-20 19:40:00	The Government is proposing to increase the ACC levy on older cars by as much as $100 a year. They say that this will buy safer (read more expensive) cars. Actually I thought they had just proposed a reduction on safer cars - that is - newer cars. Not an increase of the rest.	pctek (84)
1353900	2013-09-20 21:05:00	I'm an occasional casual cyclist and I wouldn't be caught dead in lycra, and there's a lot of you that wear it I wish I hadn't seen.I understand serious cyclists and the like wearing it, but not for me cruising round the streets on a nice weekend afternoon thank you. I think it's totally unneeded for casual cyclists and people riding 5K's to work as well, but that's their choice and they are welcome to it. I wear it when out serious riding, but seldom on the ride to work it only takes 15mins and isn't worth getting changed, so mostly I agree	gary67 (56)
1353901	2013-09-20 23:02:00	This old argument AGAIN!!!?? **** me! Are you trolling? Cyclists pay ACC levies - most are employed, many own 1 or more motor vehicles and the levies come from there . I guess you only pay ACC leveies once . As a motorist I pay it twice . Cyclist should be registered . Even if it's only to charge these pricks who run red lites, stop signs and go down one way street the wrong way . .	paulw (1826)
1353902	2013-09-21 04:34:00	moan moan moan moan. I shouldn't have to pay x, y, z they should pay blah blah Its so unfair !!!!! A.	afe66 (13778)
1353903	2013-09-21 04:49:00	I guess you only pay ACC leveies once . As a motorist I pay it twice . Cyclist should be registered . Even if it's only to charge these pricks who run red lites, stop signs and go down one way street the wrong way . . Why would registration (which would come with an admin overhead and more unnecessary bureaucracy) make it more possible to prosecute cyclists who do these things? Any red light camera would be unable to see any rego that could be fitted to a bike . . . BTW I imagine there are one hell of a lot more motorists who do these things (with the possible exception of the one way street scenario) - with far more serious potential consequences - who also do not get prosecuted . It's not a registration problem, it's an enforcement problem . Same problem as the helmet issue - whether you're safer with one or not can be discussed until the cows come home, but since it's the law that you have to wear one, how come I see so many idiots riding (mainly mountain bikes) around the city without a helmet on their head? The police aren't enforcing it, because they have other, higher priorities . . . As far as levies go, I pay far too much to ACC for no real benefit - I am a self-employed IT contractor and am expecting a bill of well over $1500 this year . It's not like the work I do is risky in any way . . .	johcar (6283)
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