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| Thread ID: 50064 | 2004-10-09 05:05:00 | OT - Bathurst | Tony S. (450) | Press F1 |
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| 279529 | 2004-10-10 17:04:00 | > The holden vs Ford format suits me,and when it takes > place on the worlds greatest track....EVEN BETTER. I agree with this format. To me Bathurst has a grudge match style genre which I am sure other motor sports have as well. eg mclaren vs ferrari (F1) Subaru vs Toyota (rally) This race is akin to a classic boxing duel between 2 heavyweights duking it out lap after lap year after year. Adding other brands to the foray would be like adding lightweight and middleweights to this same boxing match. There would be lots of points of interest and it would end up being lots of different races in one but it would lose the heart of the race. Agree though that it is about money - from all sides, those that are in power, and those that want in. |
sam m (517) | ||
| 279530 | 2004-10-10 18:14:00 | > Agree though that it is about money - from all sides, > those that are in power, and those that want in. You talk as if it has allways been this way. Such is thew Power pf G.M.H. misinformation. The V8 2 car format is barley 10 years old. The Hardie allways had a rool of the dice element like the Paris Dakkar. Now unless it rains, and shows up all the Aussie non drivers, it has become slow BOORING. and far too predictable. With the bent rule book the charnces of a Ford winning are worse than lotto, the chances of a true privateer winning almost nill. G.M.H Have wrecked what was a highlight on the World Motorsport calandar. What's worse they have done it with an Opel. D. |
drb1 (4492) | ||
| 279531 | 2004-10-10 21:37:00 | Just a few minor corrections, and some questions raised: Bathurst is an internationally broadcast event watched all over the world. It is not Australia only, and even China took a satellite feed. According to one of the links posted above, BMW never won at Bathurst, the only makes to win other than Ford or Holden were BMC (Mini Cooper S) in 1966, Jaguar XJS 1985, and Nissan 1991 & 92. However a Vauxhall Cresta won the first Bathurst enduro, and according to the official statistics BMW won in a 320i in 1997 & 1999, with 1998 being won by a Volvo S40 with Jim Richards at the wheel. One way or the other, somebody has been rewriting history.?:| Mazda won four out of five of the Bathurst 12 hour enduros up to 1995, don't know if it still runs now though. Toyota or any other make admitted to the ATCC will have to run under unified rules so it will be engineering and reliability that makes the diff, along with a certain amount of Aussie chicanery. The Nissan GTR over came all of the restrictions they put on it though. Personal opinion: ETC cars are even more dedicated racers than the Bathurst cars. They are full racing chassis with a branded "shell" like NASCAR cars. Credit where credit is due, the Bathurst cars start as a road shell and retain the basic shape. ETC racing gets a bit tedious because nothing much seems to happen. They are too fragile for bump and thump. The BTCC used to be a thrill a minute with carnage everywhere from the moment the flag dropped back when Paul Radisich was racing there. If they admit Toyota to the ATCC, I reckon it will take them two years to overcome the impediments placed in their way, and one year of "fair" competition to refine the final version, then they will finish within the top three or even win in their 4th year (if it takes that long). They won't have wheels falling off, inexplicable oil consumption, overheating that "never happened before" or any other of the myriad excuses paraded during the annual round of ATCC enduro races. Of course, I could be wrong, it's been known to happen.:D Cheers Billy 8-{) :| Why do I favour Mazda? Holden's lack of reliability got to me after previous happy experiences with an all Toyota fleet (preceded by a tragic period with Ford during which we had to keep spare engines in stores to ensure we got vehicles back on the road quickly). I drove a killer Escort once that had the wrong front brake discs fitted and locked the front wheels under any braking if there was even a suggestion of water on the road. Had to let the local Ford SM drive it on a wet day to prove the point. He braked for the first corner and sailed straight ahead through the intersection. It was fixed no argument straight after he changed his underwear! I started buying Mazda after Toyota wouldn't cut a decent fleet deal and found their pricing better and reliability excellent so I've stayed with them ever since. They recently topped a reliability survey somewhere, the UK I think, but they are unbreakable and very economic to run. |
Billy T (70) | ||
| 279532 | 2004-10-10 23:13:00 | Funny,all the dedicated race fans that frequent the forums i visit have only ever seen highlights packages broadcast well after the event is played,and most have never seen any coverage of Bathurst. The event falls well benath the radar of all but dedicated channels interationally and is about as relivent to the viewers as Aussie rules is to us. If we look at another big event which has a broader international interest such as the Isle of man or Lemans,they still don't register with NZ viewers even though we have all heard of the events/tracks. No matter what spin is put on it,Bathurst is an Aussie event,for Aussie cars and with an Aussie audience. |
metla (154) | ||
| 279533 | 2004-10-11 01:49:00 | No argument with that overall perspective metla. It would certainly do better if it broadened its horizons. Cheers Billy 8-{) |
Billy T (70) | ||
| 279534 | 2004-10-11 01:54:00 | Maybe they just need to run a second heavily promoted event that is seperate from the V8 series. Although i can't see such an event ecplising the popularity of the v8 series at Bathurst you just never know what may happen when the black art that is marketing turns its evill eyes outward...... Infact,Maybe they should run a production car based event where they invite the worlds best drivers to compete....Champions of Champions. |
metla (154) | ||
| 279535 | 2004-10-11 04:17:00 | Thats why its called the "Australian V8 Supercar series" I think alot of fans will stop watching when they introduce another manafacture (sp?) to the series.... Its like trying to enter a Fiat Bambina into the Mini Cooper Halenstines challenge at Pukekohe... If you want all sorts of cars, watch a series with all those cars! Dont try and change whats already there. If you ask me, I say there are V8 fans, and everbody else fans! |
hsv-b0y (5210) | ||
| 279536 | 2004-10-11 07:35:00 | > If you want all sorts of cars, watch a series with > all those cars! Dont try and change whats already > there. If you ask me, I say there are V8 fans, and > everbody else fans! We want BACK, what you STOLE. D. real V8 car club member |
drb1 (4492) | ||
| 279537 | 2004-10-11 07:36:00 | Sorry dbr1.Its 2004,times have changed. Even Wanganui has a new mayor for the first time in 18 years. |
metla (154) | ||
| 279538 | 2004-10-11 07:37:00 | Metla, An open, true production car, endurance event. That has potential. D. |
drb1 (4492) | ||
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