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280126	2004-10-12 02:34:00	> The roading system is a national network and it is of > crucial importance to everyone, Aucklanders included, > that product from the provinces, gets to its > destination. Unfortunately for the 3/4 of the population that do not live in Auckland, their main product to the city is their money. One way. For example, the 6c/litre petrol tax, $30 million on an Americas Cup challenge - in Europe!, $80 million to buy the rail corridor from Transrail. And the purchase of the Westhaven Marina. Much more important than boring old roads. > > I remain unrepentant about Auckland's political > clout. Understandable. But NZ is a tiny country. Divisions do not help our common identity to deal with the outside world. We can't function as a community if one (wealthy) section is susidised by the rest. There is simply no justification in a wealthy country like NZ for one city to be singled out for special benefits.	Winston001 (3612)
280127	2004-10-12 05:19:00	I stand by the statement that Banksie left auckland DEBT FREE This alone should prove you are mis-informed (again) by the "leftish" media you so crave .... So much is happening in Auckland I have trouble driving to the events :-)	fairway (5932)
280128	2004-10-12 05:27:00	> I stand by the statement that Banksie left auckland > DEBT FREE Seems his greatest legacy was fiddling the books. Sadly, ......... for him that ability didn't extend to gerrymandering :^O BTW, the way the subsidies and handouts are flowing, shouldn't you be supporting our user pays free market ideals ;) Cheers Murray ;P	Murray P (44)
280129	2004-10-12 05:35:00	After a bit of digging around I managed to find out why we have extremely high domestic prices for our primary exported products (Milk, meat, wool fish etc) We are the ONLY country in the world that does not subsidize food, Or any other product for that matter, We pay export prices . Note: This years average payout to Dairy farmers was just over $400 . 000 . oo per person . The reality of this is we are a small country of fools, ripping each other off, because we can't see the bigger picture . Like . . . ? Australia has NO GST on food Products . . With this socialist government we have now one would think the feeding of the "masses" would be one of the most basic points to start ?? well I would, and I am not a socialist .	fairway (5932)
280130	2004-10-12 05:41:00	Murray . . Is that your hand out looking for something from Hellen again? It is all about being responsable, for your own actions would start . . You accuse Banksie of fiddling the books ? Where are you at . ? Just watch your mate cullen fiddle the books with the 5 billion dollar surplus that is OUR money . . not the governments . . The more responsable you become the less government you need . . prey tell, will basic logic prevail?	fairway (5932)
280131	2004-10-12 05:51:00	Fairway..., left, right, socialist, conservative are only convenient tags for the politicians at election time. There has been no truley (credable) socialist party for 30 years or more in NZ. Some of our current policies are "right" of the Republican party. Where our main parties sit on the political spectrum is about right for me. If they claim major differences it's merely marketing spin. The main worry for me is of resources, the human kind, there just isn't that much talent amongst that bunch anymore. Too much muddle-headed thinking. Hey Jack! You going to rejoin the fray? ;\ Cheers Murray P	Murray P (44)
280132	2004-10-12 06:59:00	Yeah, great thread Jack. Well done. Murray, "gerrymandering" is exactly the term I was thinking of. It describes the situation where a minority of voters have disproportionate political representation. For example, 120 seats in Parliament but 70 of them are for a lot of small electorates in one area. Thus they control Parliament. Naturally that couldn't happen here. We have population based electorates spread evenly throughout the country. But hang on - theres something else. List MPs. Hmmmmmm........ and they are spread all around the country? Nope. Not a chance. Home to Auckland every Friday. Ok I exaggerate. But it is true that approximately half of our Parliament is drawn from the Auckland area and party boundaries evaporate when Auckland matters arise. There is disproportionate representation. So we'll all come and join you. Build lots of roads, more shops and houses - what fun. And then wonder why we don't have any foreign currency to buy all those imports which exceed our exports each year. :O	Winston001 (3612)
280133	2004-10-12 07:08:00	It's all right Winston, we're all going to become RIcH as dairy farmers and hellen will save us ...	fairway (5932)
280134	2004-10-12 07:27:00	JCR I first ran into toll roads in Boston, the "Mass Pyke" fortunately there are 10 other roads into the town. They will only work if there is no alternate route. www.nzherald.co.nz Why pay again for something we have already paid for?, in our road user charges and our petrol taxes. All NZ'rs understand that. The issue with Auckland is a matter of Town Planning, the lack of it, successively each new administration tries and succeeds at doing nothing (except Banksie) Aucklanders will not have a Roading or Rail system in the near future, there is no concensus amongst the people therefore nothing will happen. I do believe Mr. Hubbard will clean the streets of Auckland and make it a beautifully wonderful city to visit .. pixies and fairies to boot..! Soft moderates always appease but never achieve.	fairway (5932)
280135	2004-10-12 07:45:00	> So we'll all come and join you. Build lots of roads, > more shops and houses - what fun. And then wonder why > we don't have any foreign currency to buy all those > imports which exceed our exports each year. :O The sooner we (as a nation) wake up and realise the more foreign products we consume, the harder we are making it for ourselves and future generations, then the sooner we can do something about it. I agree that Auckland may not pull it's weight by contributing to exports to the same extent as other regions but there are a number of "intangible" benefits for the rest of NZ. Benefits aside, if Aucklanders are going to be the largest group of "consumers" (by sheer weight of numbers) then the least we could do is buy NZ-made products, support NZ businesses and make it hard for the importers. (I have nothing against importers, it's just that if we consume imported goods then we don't consume local goods which hurts us in the long run). However, quid pro quo, we (Aucklanders, and the rest of the country for that matter) shouldn't expect to get shafted by the dairy companies. See my previous comments on the relative prices of petrol and milk. Exports account for approximately 95% of Fonterra sales and they are very quick to put up the local prices when the exchange rate moves accordingly, but never put the prices down when the exchange rate goes back the other way. Crikey - the local dairy companies could give free milk to NZ citizens forever without so much as putting a dent in their profitability. Bring back free milk for school children! [/end rant] However, my point is that Winston touched on a good point and this is basicly a "call to arms" to support local business. The only way we can make ourselves stronger as a nation is to import less and export more. My 2.5c (at todays exchange rate) :)	andrew93 (249)
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