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280086	2004-10-11 07:06:00	Winston, Was that not a little low? 1/3 of the population live in the Auckland provience. 1/4 of the "petrol tax revenue" for the nation comes from that provience. This revenue has for 40 + years been stolen by sucessive goverments, slipped into the consolidated fund, to buy their cheap booze and lunches, and fund so many many projects out side the Auckland Provience. Ten Billion $ over 10 years is an insult to Auckland. As auckland continues to strangle itself and die , it is taking YOUR National Economy, and living standards with it. The Auckland tax in the Auckland reigon attitude sounds nice, it is Nationally impratical, Clark made the tax individual and direct to further the stupid devide and rule polotics, and social spending (Maori and Economicially disadvanteged vote buying) of labour. One way or the other every body else Must pay back to Auckland, or suffer the concequences. The Irony is that Aucklanders are again paying twice,while every body else still gets a free ride on, Auckland reigon Tax. Originally from CH CH D.	drb1 (4492)
280087	2004-10-11 08:00:00	Next to a good movie politics is my favorite passtime(at the moment) yes I voted .. but to no avail :-( in Jjafa land it seems, BUT for those that want to know how we get swindled, out of a tax break check this out .. www.bnz.co.nz	fairway (5932)
280088	2004-10-11 08:07:00	Oh dear. I think we'll have to agree to disagree. The NZ Statistics Department site gives access to accurate data on tax and export income for anyone interested.	Winston001 (3612)
280089	2004-10-11 08:09:00	Murray p Your mate Banksie, he left Auckland City with no debt. I believe the only council in NZ with a ZERO debt.. so what's on your credit card these days .. ? And whilst I'm hot on this "Hellen" (your favorite I guess) has a 5% excise tax to go on petrol in April next .. along with several other "stealth" taxes So we are not dumb.. just mis-informed .. ? or are we sleeping? I need a coffee	fairway (5932)
280090	2004-10-11 08:26:00	> > Irrelevant of whether you can get whatever you want > in Christchurch or not, just about all products > unless made locally will go through Auckland. Hmmm... Why is it then that Fonterra previously known as NZMP (New Zealand Milk Products) is tossing up between sending products out of Auckland or Tauranga. This has to do with the shipping Companies does it not? If I had a ship and I can pick up Logs and Cheese I would prefer to go to Tauranga for the port of choice. Down here in the South Waikato we do logging and cheese. I am directly involved in trucking Fonterra products and byproducts from Lichfield. This is mostly byproducts from the dairy industry. Please note that 10 minutes from where I live is the biggest cheese factory in Australasia. In Tokoroa there are no traffic lights. No gridlock. No "Eastern highway" or alternatives. I have the Internet Broadband with no datacap which costs me $61.88 per month. I recently bought a house here fror $43,000 with a 1/4 acre section. Why would I go to JAFA land? If you want to live in Auckland then feel free. > Auckland trafic indirectly affects the entire > counrty, if it takes the container twice as long to > get from the wharf to the factory because of trafic > congestion you'll pay for it at the shop. NZ imports > far more than we export, Auckland is NZ link to the > rest of the world, whether you like it or not its in > NZ's best interest to solve Aucklands problems. > We send trucks up the North Island and time these events very carefully for obvious reasons. We also send trucks to New Plymouth. These events are not really timed as the traffic does not matter except through the Awakino gorge. The dairy, lamb, wool, forestry, and fishing may be > based in the provinces but the men in suits that sell > it to the rest of the world will be based in > Auckland. If it wasnt for the like of Fonterra then > the men and woman who directly generate our wealth > would be a lot worse off. How many cows or sheep can you grow in Auckland? I went to Waiheke Island a while ago and found people growing grapes etc. Fine. But land here that my boss just bought totals 3000 acres. There is more leased land down this way that would total the whole land mass of Waiheke. The only other thing for me to say is is we don't grow it you can't ship it.	Elephant (599)
280091	2004-10-11 08:36:00	well we could always move the port of Auckland to say Whangarei, or Whhanganui for that matter and direct ship by rail from there? It would work, but, unfortunately would deprive aucklanders of their most desirable and needed traffic Jams, (that slooow pace on the motorways to sup me coffee in the mornings) And Winston, When did you ever start believing anything the government published? Smoke and mirrors they are .. I liked that quote..	fairway (5932)
280092	2004-10-11 08:36:00	ElE, 43 in toke would have to be rather nice, but you can not deny you mainstay is still boom and bust forestry. My industry, in your area forest. We both know what is really happening there at the moment. My goddaughters parents just dumped their home in Pataruru for this reason. Your in dairy, your reasonably safe. What about all the now unemployed or retrenched mill workers down the road. D.	drb1 (4492)
280093	2004-10-11 08:40:00	>>What about all the now unemployed or retrenched mill workers down the road?? All shipped off to South Auckland.....	metla (154)
280094	2004-10-11 08:48:00	> We are all paying for Auckland lack of investment in > public transport systems. Probably. Back in the 1970s I worked as a traffic officer for the Auckland City Council. Sir Dove-Myer Robinson was the Mayor in Auckland City at that time. Light rail, ring roads were proposed at that time. I have to admit that I agreed with him at that time. Even then I lived in Mount Wellington and shopped in Panmure and did not go into Auckland City unless I had to. Point duty on the intersection of Cook and Hobson St. I remember it well.	Elephant (599)
280095	2004-10-11 08:49:00	Metla, If that whsn't so true it would be funny. The crazy thing is, those peolple flogged the good deal at the mills, soooo hard, for so long, and brought 4x4, boats, hunting equipment, ect ect, and did not pay off their Homes. Now there is no immediate work for them.They can not afford to maintain there outgoings. They have to move, and loose their lifstyles, because of their shortsighted ness and greed. Mess with CHH at your peril. D.	drb1 (4492)
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