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| Thread ID: 50105 | 2004-10-10 18:56:00 | Way, way off topic | JJJJJ (528) | Press F1 |
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| 280076 | 2004-10-11 01:21:00 | > Go to Christchurch and try to convince yourself that > we need Auckland to stay out of the third world . If it wasnt Auckland it would be another large center that everybody loved to hate . At the end of the day irrelevant of what its called there will always be atleast one large centre with a large proportion of the countries population and a large proportion of the countries bussiness . Irrelevant of whether you can get whatever you want in Christchurch or not, just about all products unless made locally will go through Auckland . Auckland trafic indirectly affects the entire counrty, if it takes the container twice as long to get from the wharf to the factory because of trafic congestion you'll pay for it at the shop . NZ imports far more than we export, Auckland is NZ link to the rest of the world, whether you like it or not its in NZ's best interest to solve Aucklands problems . The dairy, lamb, wool, forestry, and fishing may be based in the provinces but the men in suits that sell it to the rest of the world will be based in Auckland . If it wasnt for the like of Fonterra then the men and woman who directly generate our wealth would be a lot worse off . >I simply wish our media and politicians would be more honest and acknowledge that it isn't any more important than anywhere else . Thats a fair enough request, it would also be nice if those people south of the bombay hills would give a lil credit where credit is due . It might be full of suits who drink coffee but Auckland play a big role in keeping this country a float . |
Pete O'Neil (250) | ||
| 280077 | 2004-10-11 02:33:00 | I must admit i do not agree with what you say Pete, Auckland is not the be all and end all of the country. there are some much busyier ports around the country side, and Wellington has direct flights in and out as well, so you can bypass jafa land happily. next youll be telling us with out auckland there would be no such thing as NZ ? ?:| no offence intended. beetle |
beetle (243) | ||
| 280078 | 2004-10-11 02:44:00 | I dont think that Auckland is the bee all and end all, what im trying to get across is that Auckland plays a large roll in NZ, us Aucklanders continually get ****. If Auckland was to suddenly disapear tomorrow all you Auckland haters would have to watch you pennies far more closely. The cost of not having Auckland would be far greater than some petrol tax. Having such a large proportion of the countries population situated in one place has immense benefits for the rest of the country. I dont expect any of you to agree or even consider what im saying, you cant teach an old dog new tricks. Most of you probably just dislike Auckland because its the fashionable thing to do. |
Pete O'Neil (250) | ||
| 280079 | 2004-10-11 02:53:00 | Sorry you feel that way, but same can be said for stick in the mud jafa's as well . sometime's they just cant see past their own nose . beetle |
beetle (243) | ||
| 280080 | 2004-10-11 02:58:00 | . > If it wasnt Auckland it would be another large center > that everybody loved to hate . I agree . It wasn't always so . The Auckland and the Rest division only arose in the early 1980s > just about all products > unless made locally will go through Auckland . Tell that to the ports of Timaru, Lyttleton, Wellington and Taraunga . > NZ imports > far more than we export, Oddly, yes . But that's a national problem . > If it wasnt for the like of Fonterra then > the men and woman who directly generate our wealth > would be a lot worse off . Fonterra is simply the latest version of milk cooperatives which have existed profitably for decades . Cities are entirely irrelevant . > It might be full of > suits who drink coffee but Auckland play a big role > in keeping this country a float . I have to disagree here Peter . I sincerely believe that Auckland plays at best, a minor role in keeping NZ on a sound economic footing . Probably we should make a distinction between ordinary decent Auckland people, and Auckland as a political objective . Nothing wrong with the people at all . But the region itself represents lots of votes so our national politics are slanted towards one place . Peter, can you imagine what it feels like to buy petrol here? We pay more than you do per litre to start with, and now pay an extra 6c/litre for roads 1500km away . The roads into Queenstown are a bit squashed now so how about another 2c from everyone to help out? |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
| 280081 | 2004-10-11 03:09:00 | >Peter, can you imagine what it feels like to buy petrol here? We pay more than you do per litre to start with, and now pay an extra 6c/litre for roads 1500km away. The roads into Queenstown are a bit squashed now so how about another 2c from everyone to help out? I can see your point of view, but i feel that if we didnt do something about Aucklands roads and other problems then you would be paying that 6c elsewhere, increased transportation costs etc If it wasnt for large centers such as Auckland, Christchurch, or Wellington we would lose any benefit we've gained from economies of scale, the small centres need the cities as much as the cities need them. Alas i dont have any proof so i shall admit defeat. |
Pete O'Neil (250) | ||
| 280082 | 2004-10-11 04:00:00 | If we could only squeeze that fat jafa filled zit off the end of this great country we would all be a lot richer. | Rob99 (151) | ||
| 280083 | 2004-10-11 04:27:00 | "The roads into Queenstown are a bit squashed now so how about another 2c from everyone to help out?" They are widening the one way bridge into a two-way bridge through the devils staircase. ;) |
alphazulusixeightniner (185) | ||
| 280084 | 2004-10-11 06:27:00 | > I can see your point of view, but i feel that if we didnt do something about > Aucklands roads and other problems Artificially enhancing what Auckland doesn't have is not the answer, if you understand what I mean. It would be better to not encourage Aucklands growth, then work with what you've got. > then you would be paying that 6c elsewhere, increased transportation > costs etc No, not necessarilly, a 4 lane motorway is not twice the cost of a two lane provincial highway on equivalent topography, it's probably more like 3 or 4 times the cost plus, the concentration of vehicles on relatively shorter kilometres means the city roads require more maintenance. We are all paying for Auckland lack of investment in public transport systems. > If it wasnt for large centers such as Auckland, Christchurch, or Wellington > we would lose any benefit we've gained from economies of scale, Economies of scale are overated, especially as NZ ain't that big in the first place and, with such a long distance relatively to the rest of the country, overall we lose a lot of the benefit in icreased transport costs and poorer service outside the main manufacturing/service base. > the small centres need the cities as much as the cities need them. Alas i > dont have any proof so i shall admit defeat. True to an extent. Cheers Murray P |
Murray P (44) | ||
| 280085 | 2004-10-11 06:42:00 | >No, not necessarilly, a 4 lane motorway is not twice the cost of a two lane provincial highway on equivalent topography, it's probably more like 3 or 4 times the cost plus, the concentration of vehicles on relatively shorter kilometres means the city roads require more maintenance. I dont understand what you mean? What i was trying to say is that if a truck takes twice as long to deliver goods to a shop because of congestion then the truck driver is going to charge the manufactuer more. These costs are then pasted on to the consumer. Manufactuers dont charge people in Auckland a different price to those in the rural areas, price increases effect everybody. |
Pete O'Neil (250) | ||
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