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Thread ID: 135160	2013-10-02 01:41:00	Downlights - can't be mounted near wood?	kingdragonfly (309)	PC World Chat

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1354851	2013-10-02 01:41:00	I'm thinking about installing a false interior ceiling with some type of wood paneling. I read the following: ================ Q. Can I mount a coverable (IC or IC-F) Downlight directly up to timber? A. All downlights still have minimum clearances to timber or other combustible elements, check the specifications for detail but this is normally 50-75mm from the fixture. www.thelightingcentre.co.nz ================ So is it safe to mount these to wood paneling directly?	kingdragonfly (309)
1354852	2013-10-02 01:51:00	Does that still apply to LED lights I wonder? LED technology has come a long way in the last 12 months. ledstuff.co.nz	wratterus (105)
1354853	2013-10-02 02:05:00	The page was talking about LED lights. "Recessed Luminaires that have the IC rating can have insulation abutted to and/or covering them. The bulk of these downlights will be LED but there are a few fluorescent downlights with this rating." I also found this section from the compliance document for New Zealand building code ============================================= 9.4 Downlights 9.4.1 Recessed luminaires shall be installed with clearances from building elements including insulation either: a) In accordance with their classification as ‘abutted’ or ‘standard 100 mm’ or ‘specified’ in terms of NZECP 54, or b) Of 200 mm from the lampholder for those ============================================= I'm not sure what "NZECP 54" means	kingdragonfly (309)
1354854	2013-10-02 03:50:00	This? (www.homedownlights.co.nz)	Speedy Gonzales (78)
1354855	2013-10-02 05:43:00	Apparantly down-light fires are very dangerous, because the fire can be concealed, and above smoke alarms. au.news.yahoo.com Maybe I should look into a material that's fire resistant that can take the weight of a man between beams seperated by 0.6 meters. I'm not sure what that would be though	kingdragonfly (309)
1354856	2013-10-02 07:13:00	To mount downlights in wood panelling they must be rated for it, they need to have a letter F inside a triangle, in addition to the ratings above	custom (14911)
1354857	2013-10-02 08:18:00	Apparantly down-light fires are very dangerous, because the fire can be concealed, and above smoke alarms. au.news.yahoo.com would be mainly for the old-style downlight which can get very hot. LEDs run much cooler. I've recently swapped out my standard downlight reflector style lamps for 13w Philip LEDs as they should be safer.	Jen (38)
1354858	2013-10-02 08:35:00	That would be mainly for the old-style downlight which can get very hot. LEDs run much cooler. I've recently swapped out my standard downlight reflector style lamps for 13w Philip LEDs as they should be safer. That's true but if they use the same fitting and standard bulbs could possibly be fitted then it would need to comply with the rules for standard bulbs even if you never plan to use them. If it's a 12V LED only setup then there should be different rules. But even LED's can generate some heat, espcially if there is a voltage regulator circuit built in.	dugimodo (138)
1354859	2013-10-03 07:28:00	Could this (www.stuff.co.nz) be what you are wanting? Also here (www.stuff.co.nz). Looks like the producers are here (www.energymad.com).	FoxyMX (5)
1354860	2013-10-03 18:02:00	Downlights are good for reducing the glare that occupants might otherwise experience, and they eliminate the need for a light shade, but in most other respects I find them to be a curse. They make a complete mockery of having insulation in the home with the required gaps in the insulation. The ones at work have melted through wires laying adjacent to them, and there's one set we switched off due to a strong burning smell (which will no longer go when we try to switch them on again). They can be a bugger to remove for bulb replacement, and if in a non combustible material like gib there's an inevitable crumbling of the edges of the hole when the fixture gets pulled out each time. Lates issue is the painters have effectively sealed the fixtures into place with paint, so any future bulb replacements also run the risk of chipping/cracking of the ceiling paint. All these thermal issues should be eliminated with power saving bulbs... once they become cost effective. They allow a lower ceiling without getting light fittings bonking occupants in the head. There's only one at home in the bathroom. Above it is a ceiling with a pulped paper type of insulation, which I'd imagine would be combustible. THere's a void in the insulation around this fixture, but the insulation has been disturbed over the years with wind / birds getting into the roof space. Can't claim to be happy about the situation where small amounts of this paper/fibre insulation gets up to this hot bulb.	Paul.Cov (425)
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