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Thread ID: 50605	2004-10-26 04:39:00	Xtra's new "FLAT RATE" plans	bk T (215)	Press F1

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284836	2004-10-26 20:40:00	In Xtramsn website, their advertisement says: "New Ultra fast Xtra Broadband plans" "No excess usage charges with the New Xtra Broadband Flat Rate plans" Is 64k Ultra fast Broadband? Personally, I think 64k is definitely not to be considered as 'Broadband Speed" ; therefore, the above 2 advertisement statements are MISLEADING. How many New Zealanders have fallen (or going to fall) into this trap?	bk T (215)
284837	2004-10-26 20:42:00	But on the other hand it is broadband as some one said earlier because its "Broadband for 10gb's a month and then not" ... somthing along those lines, it make sence in my head :P	JamesStewart (874)
284838	2004-10-26 20:44:00	> Its all very simple. If you dont like the terms then > simply don't buy it. No one is forcing you too. That's so true. That's why I'm not with Xtra. :p > > You can go to someone else and use them or wait heres > an idea. > > Why dont you start your own "BROADBAND" with mega > high speeds and all you can eat for harldy any cost > that is available to anyone in New Zealand. I bet you > would get a lot of customers. There's one available already. It's Wired Country. :D	SKT174 (1319)
284839	2004-10-26 20:47:00	I looked up :flat rate" on dictionary.com and found only one listing: "A price per unit which remains constant regardless of the total number of units purchased. " So I guess that, strictly talking, it's not flat rate. However their marketing blurb qualifies the statmet by pointing out that the speed will be restricted at a certain point. Once again, if you don't like it, vote with your wallet and go elsewhere. I use Orcon for this very reason. There seems to be a lot of whining about businesses having it all their own way on PF1 at the moment. Telecom, Microsoft, Whoosh. All these companies exist solely for the purpose of making a profit, their only responsibility is to their investors. Like it or not, it's how business works. If theyre in a monopoly the're not really interested in trying to please all the people all the time. Don't like it? Tell them or take your patronage elsewhere. But, for Goodness sake, stop whining about it!	POTUS (5276)
284840	2004-10-26 20:54:00	>>Don't like it? Tell them or take your patronage elsewhere. But, for Goodness sake, stop whining about it! When did you get voted in as mayor? How about you just ignore threads that don't interest you,rather then trying to tell people what opinions they can express?	metla (154)
284841	2004-10-26 21:31:00	> There seems to be a lot of whining about businesses having it all their own > way on PF1 at the moment. Telecom, Microsoft, Whoosh. All these > companies exist solely for the purpose of making a profit, their only > responsibility is to their investors. Like it or not, it's how business works.' <Rant Warning > I'm sorry but that's absolute twaddle. You are saying, and I've heard this nonsense touted before, that a business does not have to abide by any other rule or law, ethical, moral or otherwise. That is, other than to answer to it's shareholders? I'm afraid to inform you that that is only one aspect of a companies responsibilities in both law, ethically and as a participant in a wider societal framework. To narrow an argument down to one very narrow point disingenuous, specious and probably even further from the truth (ask a small shareholder for their views). To take this view to its logical conclusion is to say, that you may not like it but a company is acting within it's mandate to lie, cheat, steal and kill in the name of the shareholder. Oh! you don't really believe that, well maybe! It's a fine line isn't it which is best not gone down. Cheers Murray P	Murray P (44)
284842	2004-10-26 21:36:00	> How about you just ignore threads that don't interest you,rather then trying to tell people what opinions they can express? I would never tell anyone what opinions they can express. However I am entitled to object to the way they express them. It's the incessant whining that annoys me. How do you suggest I ignore those particular posts without reading them? But I stand by my statememnt "Don't like it? Tell them or take your patronage elsewhere." All you will achieve by whining about it semi-public manner is to feel a bit better by getting it off your chest and maybe finding other like-minded people with whom you can sulk. If you really want to change something research it, get all the facts and take them to a public forum. Get popular public opinion on your side and then, just maybe, you have a chance of changing something. But make sure that you really have all the fact because it'll trip you up otherwise.	POTUS (5276)
284843	2004-10-26 21:42:00	Tell me why should i do what you tell me to do? lmao, The Mayor. I tell ya what,i'll continue to call it as i see it. Good for you?.....no?.......it matters not.	metla (154)
284844	2004-10-26 21:44:00	> You are saying, and I've heard this nonsense touted before, that a business does not have to abide by any other rule or law, ethical, moral or otherwise. That is, other than to answer to it's shareholders? No, I didn't say that at all. I simply said that their responsibilty is to their shareholders first and foremost. they don't exist to provide a service for the sake of providing that service. To believe otherwise is naive. Of course business has to stay within the boundries of the law. They also have to consider public opinion if they want the largest share of the pie that they can get. But they don't have to be morally ethical because, in todays society, moral ethics are not constant.	POTUS (5276)
284845	2004-10-26 21:49:00	> Tell me why should i do what you tell me to do? You don't. I'm not telling anyone what to do. I'm just calling it as I see it - voicing an opinion. You seem to be getting a bit excitable. You may enjoy life a bit more if you chill out a bit.	POTUS (5276)
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