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| Thread ID: 50673 | 2004-10-28 10:27:00 | OT about magnets | paradox (1082) | Press F1 |
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| 285782 | 2004-10-30 07:57:00 | What a curious but interesting thread. I'm doubtful about "alternative medicine" but some therapies work for some people. Maybe its the Placebo Effect. My main objection is to the charlatan practitioners who trade on peoples fear and misery, selling a treatment which is a sham. The problem is, who are the charlatans, and who are genuine? Check references before you try. |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
| 285783 | 2004-10-30 08:15:00 | Never mind this claptrap about charlatans, double blinds etc. My concern is getting hold of some of these placebo gizmo's. (They work on 30% of the patients, are non addictive and work across the spectrum of human ailments.) Are they available in high dosage form to work on a higher percentage of people? Are they available in a wide choice of brands? Colours? Flavours? Are they "as advertised on TV"? Do they come with Ginsu knives? :D R2 |
R2x1 (4628) | ||
| 285784 | 2004-10-30 08:38:00 | Ah well R2, there is a catch. You see, technically, to enjoy the benefits of a placebo, you need to be....................dead. Lots of jolly chanting involved, and you'd need to be "one of the True Faith" of course. I'm sure the Pope would welcome you. I'm a bit mystified myself about how Latin vespers help out with drug trials but I am only a simple layman. :D |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
| 285785 | 2004-10-30 09:01:00 | > Never mind this claptrap about charlatans, double > blinds etc. > My concern is getting hold of some of these placebo > gizmo's. No luck, R2. They only work if you don't know it is a placebo.... Tough. Tony |
TonyF (246) | ||
| 285786 | 2004-10-30 09:06:00 | > to enjoy the benefits of a placebo, you need to be . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . dead . Damn ! ! Does brain-dead count ? > They only work if you don't know it is a placebo . . . . The number of things I don't know is pretty impressive, this could fit in at a push R2 |
R2x1 (4628) | ||
| 285787 | 2004-10-30 09:36:00 | But seriously fellows - doesn't it alarm you to read the number of posts disparaging science? Here we all are enjoying the fruits of scientists' discoveries (computer technology in this case) to be told that they know nothing . Research findings, theories, empirical evidence - its all going to be proven wrong next year, so ignore the scientists . I try not to get hot and bothered on PF1 but this shallow, insulting and mindless claptrap really gets my goat . Here some of us sit with our comfortable Western lives, spurning the scientific legacy which allows us to live free from disease, hunger, and poverty . I hope everyone notes that Yasser Arafat rushed off to Paris for medical treatment - not Beijing, Kashmir, or a Mexican clinic . |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
| 285788 | 2004-10-30 09:47:00 | I > hope everyone notes that Yasser Arafat rushed off to > Paris for medical treatment - not Beijing, Kashmir, > or a Mexican clinic. Just another indication of the long-standing French sympathy for Arab causes - stemming from their involvement with Algeria, no doubt. |
TonyF (246) | ||
| 285789 | 2004-10-30 09:48:00 | The point was that scientists are not holy,unfallable,not to be questioned,always correct,or nessercerly anywhere near the truth just because they throw there weight behind some crack pot notion,or against some crack pot notion. Not only that but many have promoted ideas that can only be described as madness,false findings for publicity or finicial gain. Just because a scientist says it is so doesn't mean it is,And these comforts of western society are more the result of Govenment policies and marketing.Drug companies (and they scientists they employ) are interested in profit,not your health. And i personally would rather go for a trip to Mexico in my last days then anywhere near a frog hospital. |
metla (154) | ||
| 285790 | 2004-10-30 10:17:00 | I hope I didn't come across as disparaging science - quite the opposite. Disparaging the level of scientific illiteracy and gulliblity in newspaper reports yes, good solid science no. | annie (6010) | ||
| 285791 | 2004-10-30 18:45:00 | >>The point was that scientists are not holy,unfallable,not to be questioned,always correct,or nessercerly anywhere near the truth ......... I arrogantly and scientifically suggest you didnt learn or study science at school, or much else for that matter Metla :) |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
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