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| 285772 | 2004-10-29 18:58:00 | >>Womanly intuition might suggest that a good therapy for your back would be to stand at the bench doing the dishes .. As I do .. There is an appropriate song for every occasion, Tony, "Washing Dishes with My Sweetie at the Kitchen sink" www.redhotjazz.com |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 285773 | 2004-10-29 19:31:00 | > Tony: > But that's a scientifically established fact, > surely? > Every wife knows that... Yes Laura - hence always do what women say ..... |
TonyF (246) | ||
| 285774 | 2004-10-30 00:40:00 | Beliefs, unfortunately, thrive on irrationality. Bertrand Russell remarked once that you should keep an open mind, but "not so open that your brain falls out". |
Graham L (2) | ||
| 285775 | 2004-10-30 01:03:00 | It's worth remembering, on this topic, that roughly 30% of people are placebeo responders, and that the same 30% are able to be hypnotised.... these people will respond to any treatment. | annie (6010) | ||
| 285776 | 2004-10-30 02:13:00 | Hi Annie >>..roughly 30% of people are placebeo responders So where do the mice, rabbits etc that scientists use to test drugs etc on, fit in to that theory ?:| >>the same 30% are able to be hypnotised... I went to a hypnotist hoping he could help me stop smoking. [still haven't]. He told me that unless I really did want to stop smoking, hypnotism wouldn't work for me. Well I went ahead with it and it worked for 1 week - no urges at all to smoke - then someone really stuffed up my lawnmower X-( stopping me from getting the lawns done before rain was due to set in for the next few days. Went back inside the house, picked up a cigarette and was back to smoking. The acupuncturist I went to in order to stop smoking, put a metal stud inside the inner ear part. I was to press and rub it for a few secs whenever I felt like a smoke. Unfortunately I never found out if it would work as area around the stud became inflamed [some sort of reaction], and every time I pressed and rubbed it, the pain was unbearable. Stud went, smokes stayed. Its a queer old world we live in :D |
pulling hair out (4493) | ||
| 285777 | 2004-10-30 04:09:00 | Hi - interesting post. I have to admit that acupuncture seems to work for some things in some people - notably headache (works sometimes for me) and morning sickness. However, as for the rats and mice - no, they don't do double blinded placebo controlled trials on rats and mice, but if a drug works on rats and mice then they do human trials - different species, slightly different biology, may or may not work the same - and any human trial worthy of the name is double blinded, with well matched subjects (a rarity in fact - you only have to read the 'scientist have shown' drivel newspapers publish off the wire services to pick that one up) and placebo controlled. Though how they placebo control for the foul taste of some drugs escapes me |
annie (6010) | ||
| 285778 | 2004-10-30 05:24:00 | Hi Annie, I do know of those who benefit from acupuncture. My father used to have it for pain relief while he waited for his hip operation. Also a cerebral palsy child I helped care for also had regular acupuncture from a chinese chap. It reduced the frequent 'fits' that she had whenever she heard sudden loud noises which startled her, to just the odd one. Made life a lot easier for her and her family. For myself, and informed of this by my doctor, whenever I get heart palpitations [strong rapid heartbeats which come on suddenly - residual problem since my heart attack] - I have to press really hard on the artery on one side of the neck or press my palms really hard into my eyes to get ticker rate back to normal. Apparantly there are 2 nerve pulses responsible for the heart beat and one goes out of kilter. It's really scary as it gets so fast you think your ticker will explode or something. This actually works. I suppose this fits into the accupressure group of cures. |
pulling hair out (4493) | ||
| 285779 | 2004-10-30 05:40:00 | Hi again Tearing_hair_out - actually those are called vagal manoeuvres - what you are doing is invoking a reflex which lowers the heart rate. It works if you press on your eyeballs, or on the carotid arteries, which is pretty much what you describe. Also a good trigger, especially in children, is to put ice on the face, or the face in cold water (then you call it the diving reflex - which is what diving mammals have - lowers their heart rate when they dive). You can also do what's called a valsava manoeuvre - close nose and try to breathe out - same as trying to make your ears pop. These all act to invoke a reflex slowing of the heart via the vagal nerve. It's a good trick to abort a high heart rate episode. (Also lay off coffee, cigarettes, coca-cola, strong tea, alcohol, fatigue, cold pills..... which can trigger the episodes). Have you had a resting ECG? Most of this stuff is benign and just a scary nuisance, but it's usual to check for a condition called Wolff-Parkinson-White syndrome, which you pick up on a resting ECG. If it's present, it's not a big deal but it is useful to know, if it's not present then no need to worrry. Annie |
annie (6010) | ||
| 285780 | 2004-10-30 05:41:00 | Sorry, Pulling_Hair_out.... (I'm not a fast learner) | annie (6010) | ||
| 285781 | 2004-10-30 05:55:00 | Hi Annie, Thanks for all that info. I have had the ECG's done a while back. Bad in Winter, esp. nights, but ok in summer. Funny you mention the icecubes - I fill a hotwater bottle [with hot water,not ice] and put that under my left arm to keep the ticker warm, and then go barefoot outside into the cold night air for half an hour. That works but is slower than the pressure point method. Don't worry about the stupid username. :) Was in a bit of a tizz + lack of sleep when I first started coming to PF1 forum and landed myself with the hair bit. Cheers, Marg. |
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