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285762	2004-10-29 08:53:00	>>Why is it that only after western doctors have studied it that it is now has lost that negative stigma and is now being used as a viable option. I guess because of Western arrogance, and primarily Anglo-Saxon arrogance. Like in Noel Cowards 'Mad Dogs and Englishmen'.	Terry Porritt (14)
285763	2004-10-29 09:10:00	> I read the links supplied by Greg. Makes sense and > all of those explanations are plausible and probably > has been proven. But I cant help but think what sort > of agenda the writer would have to list those. A lot of people find that Dan's Data is a resource entirely above reproach. For example, in his extract I quoted, (which is the only portion of his site that is relevant for this discussion) at least ten of the links are to supporters or sellers of magnetic therapy/products. How balanced is that.	Greg S (201)
285764	2004-10-29 09:26:00	> > > Why is it that only after western doctors have > studied it that it is now has lost that negative > stigma and is now being used as a viable option. > > I guess because of Western arrogance, and primarily > Anglo-Saxon arrogance. I'm not sure I agree with that approach. Those who have lived in Asia ( as I have) or in India come to realise that there is more to the mind/body treatment of ailments than conventional medicine admits. My GP in Malaysia ( a thoughtful Scot) said that the longer he lived there the more he realised how much more he had to learn....I think that was a general reaction.	TonyF (246)
285765	2004-10-29 09:38:00	> A lot of people find that Dan's Data is a resource > entirely above reproach. Any resource/ research can be proven or disproven if you try hard enough and I am sure that I could find just as many people who would not consider his resource as valid. Think about the latest news discovery of skeleton(s) that may well dismiss the 'human evolution' theory that has been researched and considered fact for many years....................nothing is definite (but I again have my doubts about the latest findings) > > For example, in his extract I quoted, (which is the > only portion of his site that is relevant for this > discussion) at least ten of the links are to > supporters or sellers of magnetic therapy/products. > How balanced is that. I dont doubt that those that make claims of magnetic therapy would also have an agenda to peddle their product if they have made a financial outlay. But surely there must be purists of this therapy who practise this skill without profit in mind. Research these people from an objective view would hold more weight, but even research cost money and funding sources would bias any truly objective research. This leads us back to individual choice. If you try it, and it works, use it.	sam m (517)
285766	2004-10-29 09:39:00	Heaps of thanks for all the posts to this thread, they brightened my day. And my wife will definitely recover from the avalanche of Press F1 notifications that poured onto her screen when she asked Eudora to "Get Mail." We like to think that we are sceptics about crackpot science too, but when a condition turns up that hurts like hell and for which there are no remedies at all, then scepticism gets a bit blurry around the edges. If magnets help I'll get back and let you know. Thanks again...you're a great lot. Cheers Ken.	paradox (1082)
285767	2004-10-29 09:53:00	> Any resource/ research can be proven or disproven if > you try hard enough and I am sure that I could find > just as many people who would not consider his > resource as valid. I don't accept that for a moment. But the point here is that however many people you find to support this idea, only its opponents have verifiable academic and adequately recorded data to back up their findings. I'd like to see these so called "purists" who practice magnetic therapy with no thought to profit (yeah right), in complete contrast to the academics who've constantly disproved its claims, and study the issues purely in the name of truth and/or science. What disturbs me, is that normally rational people such those who competently work with computers, can go all illogical when confronted with pie-in-the-sky miracle cures.	Greg S (201)
285768	2004-10-29 10:05:00	> THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE . Now there, Graham, I simply must disagree with you . There most certainly is . Alternative medicine is that which Doctors may grudgingly acknowledge as having some therapeutic value, but is not yet recognised as mainstream . Much of modern medicine was once "alternative", in fact all experimental medicine is alternative because it is being tried as an alternative and possible improvement on established medical and pharmacological practise . There are many viable alternatives in life and some of them can most definitely be found in medicine . Cheers Billy 8-{)	Billy T (70)
285769	2004-10-29 10:15:00	> > Any resource/ research can be proven or disproven > if > > you try hard enough and I am sure that I could > find > > just as many people who would not consider his > > resource as valid . > > I don't accept that for a moment . Interesting that you would accept his findings immediately dismissing an alternative . So be it . > > I'd like to see these so called "purists" who > practice magnetic therapy with no thought to profit > (yeah right), in complete contrast to the academics > who've constantly disproved its claims, and study the > issues purely in the name of truth and/or science . Truth is ambiguous . Science is dynamic . I am only putting up ideas that anything is possible and nothing is definite . > > What disturbs me, is that normally rational people > such those who competently work with computers, can > go all illogical when confronted with pie-in-the-sky > miracle cures . Not trying to disturb you so will leave it there . Pie sounds good - you made me hungry . sam m	sam m (517)
285770	2004-10-29 10:15:00	> Another aspect of nerve paths that only seems to be > more commonly accepted in recent years is people who > have back problems (like my wife and myself :) ). > > Pressure on the spinal cord in the lower back can > cause pain or discomfort anywhere in the body, like > in the ball of the foot, neck, shoulder, hands, and > also surprisingly arythmia and chest pain. Womanly intuition might suggest that a good therapy for your back would be to stand at the bench doing the dishes .. As I do .. Tony	TonyF (246)
285771	2004-10-29 12:06:00	Tony: But that's a scientifically established fact, surely? Every wife knows that...	Laura (43)
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