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285752	2004-10-29 06:46:00	Hi Terry To be honest I did not know much about the man, just that he wrote an interesting piece [in my view] regarding the magnetic side of nature and mankind. I agreed with what he had to say. My rather intense reaction came from the following in one of the posts here by Graham L to the quote from Laurance Johnston Phd: >>A very good rule: "Don't trust authors who put a large PhD after their names." Also the intense reactions of some posters towards alternative medicine who insist on lumping a lot of other groups they think are "cracked" with them. I still believe that there is a middle road somewhere. Herbal medicines made from organic plants, for example, what on earth has that got to do with magnetic therapy, and the other quack theorists? Maybe it's a fear of the unknown. Have read your link and agree he is a remarkable man. Thanks for posting that here. Sorry for any offense I may have given. Marg.	pulling hair out (4493)
285753	2004-10-29 06:47:00	It has gone quiet - perhaps Terry has been abducted .. To stir the pot again, is 'womanly intuition' for real ?? How to prove anything about it ?? Cheers T	TonyF (246)
285754	2004-10-29 06:58:00	>>To stir the pot again, is 'womanly intuition' for real ?? Ask your mother. Didn't you ever feel as if she had eyes in the back of her head, that she always knew when you were lying, or when you weren't really sick and didn't want to go to school?	pulling hair out (4493)
285755	2004-10-29 07:13:00	Alternative medicine has merit and has worked for daughter . But with so many different types it is hard to determine what would or would not work . Alternative medicine is an interesting term when you consider that current medicine developed from a herbal beginnings . Magnets? Cant see how, but also cant see why not . Acupuncture could also be put in this category yet millions (pure guess here) would attest to its benefits .	sam m (517)
285756	2004-10-29 07:13:00	No offence at all Marg. One of the problems with these postings rather than face to face discussion is that what one really means and the subtle innuendos of speech etc dont come across unless one is skilled with writing. I know I tend to abbreviate and hope that people will get the gist, but it is easy to get things wrong. One thing about the Johnstone article on magnetic therapy I didnt like is that he makes a large number of unsubstantiated claims and sentences that jar on my credulity, like this snippet: >> Even humans can roughly sense magnetic direction. Then at the bottom his reference sources are not to cutting edge learned papers, but to books, and a plug for a Feelgood company selling magnetic products. I dont call that scientific at all. It is not unknown at all for respected scientists to stray from the scientific method :)	Terry Porritt (14)
285757	2004-10-29 07:44:00	Acupuncture could also be put in this category yet millions (pure guess here) would attest to its benefits. Esp in China/Korea/Taiwan.. When US Surgeons first went to China after Nixon got the door open a bit, they were amazed to see routine surgery being done with acupuncture. When they got back to the US, their reports were greeted with disbelief. (Western medicine is the most conservative of the sciences..) On our TV a few years ago, there was a prog showing some major surgery on a woman who had had a couple of hours of acupuncture, mostly mild electric shocks to points on the legs. She was wide awake. I mentioned this to a surgeon the next day - he said "Wasn't that fascinating !" He added that he had mentioned it to another surgeon, who had scoffed and said the patient must have been pumped full of pethidine. Indeed a closed mind.. One of the puzzles about acupuncture is that the manuscripts of some 2000 years ago in the East describe a most detailed mapping of the specific points on the body which respond to needles etc at a time when anatomical knowledge was rudimentary. Where did the knowledge of the details come from ? Puzzled in Johnsonville.	TonyF (246)
285758	2004-10-29 08:12:00	My doctor suggested i try acupuncture,but then all he is capable of is writing prescriptions for painkillers,anti-biotics or sleeping pills,plus the odd referel to Physio.	metla (154)
285759	2004-10-29 08:29:00	Following the Chinese opening the door, and the West seeing operations carried out without anaesthetic, as Tony says, acupuncture started to become respectable, and practised by more and more by Western doctors. It is amazing how the 'ancient' Chinese discovered these nerve paths, and how needles inserted at the right points could effectively block pain signals to the brain. Perhaps it was by trial and error. So acupuncture is not really in the same category as some other 'way-out' practices since it has had vast background of empiricism, and there may well be scientific papers in journals such as the Lancet on the topic. I remember seeing TV programs like Tony mentioned, maybe the same one(s). Another aspect of nerve paths that only seems to be more commonly accepted in recent years is people who have back problems (like my wife and myself :) ). Pressure on the spinal cord in the lower back can cause pain or discomfort anywhere in the body, like in the ball of the foot, neck, shoulder, hands, and also surprisingly arythmia and chest pain.	Terry Porritt (14)
285760	2004-10-29 08:49:00	I could imagine that the introduction of acupuncture would have also been dismissed and classed as quackery at the time . Why is it that only after western doctors have studied it that it is now has lost that negative stigma and is now being used as a viable option . I read the links supplied by Greg . Makes sense and all of those explanations are plausible and probably has been proven . But I cant help but think what sort of agenda the writer would have to list those . Checking his background he receives many plaudits by various groups . Checking some of those groups I couldnt help but notice that their websites have advertising by Pharmaceutical companies . Part truths maybe, who knows .	sam m (517)
285761	2004-10-29 08:53:00	> Another aspect of nerve paths that only seems to be > more commonly accepted in recent years is people who > have back problems (like my wife and myself :) ). > > Pressure on the spinal cord in the lower back can > cause pain or discomfort anywhere in the body, like > in the ball of the foot, neck, shoulder, hands, and > also surprisingly arythmia and chest pain. I've also got chronic back problems as a result of a rugby incident many years ago., and I get intense pain right down my left leg when it gets aggravated. However I'd say it's more to do with the spinal columns rather than the nerve paths asocciated with acupuncture.	Greg S (201)
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