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285712 2004-10-28 21:18:00 >
> Only fools laugh at or mock that which they don't
> understand Greg.

Well I'm glad you're not suggesting I'm a fool, because I do understand that magnetic therapy is a hoax (www.everything2.com) that far too many gullible people fall for.

In Vince's case his relief comes from one of two reasons:

1) He's got some shrapnel imbedded in his head and the magnet is drawing it away from pressing on his brain.
2) He's the beneficiary of the placebo effect (www.google.co.nz).

As far as animals benefiting from magnetic therapy - sure they can't be conned, but I've yet to hear a dog get up and say "oooh those magnets are exactly what helped". What a load of bollocks.

Re quakery vs quackery, facaetiousness becomes you. Want me to point out every typo you've ever make? 		Greg S (201)
285713 2004-10-28 21:21:00 I mock magnetic therapy.

And just the other day purchased a magnetic belt,damn snakeoil salesman got in my ear while my back was having one of its boogies.


I can't tell if it works or not ?:| 		metla (154)
285714 2004-10-28 21:30:00 C'mon Terry, open up your mind a little . There's fraud, snake oil and quackery, but then there are the frontiers of scientific knowledge .

The folk medicine of previous centuries and the native remedies of so-called primitive peoples have many times been found to have a sound scientific and medical basis . Treatment for malaria was discovered by observing native peoples chewing on the bark of the quinine tree, and if I recall correctly, the basis for aspirin was identified in a similar fashion .

Drug companies are currently spending fortunes following up on the medial practices of native peoples throughout the world, and in testing the plants and trees of their native habitat for new substances .

It is worth repeating the quote from my previous post:

That which is looked upon by one generation as the apex of human knowledge is often considered an absurdity by the next, and that which is regarded as a superstition in one century, may form the basis of science for the following one . - Paracelsus 1493-1541

Cheers

Billy 8-{) 		Billy T (70)
285715 2004-10-28 21:30:00 > However, for validation of magnetic therapy you need look no further than the veterinary sciences . Animals know nothing of hype or snake oil, but the benefits of magnetic field therapy in the treatment of arthritic stiffness and pain are well recognised . You can't psyche a dog, cat, horse or elephant into thinking it feels better, it either does or it doesn't .

And how is the animal going to tell us that? If the owner/trainer wants to believe it is working then they can easily imagine that is . They use magnetic treatment on horses and reckon that it makes a big difference .

The Auckland Zoo has been giving one of their elephants magnetic (I think that's what it is) therapy for her arthritis as chronicled on the Zoo TV program on Sundays .

Last Sunday they showed the elephant having a half hour treatment session and the trainers said they could see a definite improvement in the elephant's mobility afterwards . As a sceptic, though, I couldn't help wondering whether it was all in their minds or not . It was hard for us viewers to see for ourselves whether she was walking better or not, you would have had to have been there .

I just hope that they don't have the wool pulled over their eyes because I bet the treatment is very expensive and if it isn't genuinely beneficial the money could be better off going elsewhere in the zoo . 		Susan B (19)
285716 2004-10-28 21:40:00 Metla, if that guy was a good enough salesman to get you to buy something you didn't need/believe in, then I reckon he should get into the computer industry instead.

Should have hired him for the week to work in your outfit to see if it doubled your sales! [ps. not suggesting your sales need boosting though.]

re: the snakeoil, I thought you were slippery enough to get out of any situation. ;\

re: the magnetic belt skin, just who or what are you trying to attract ?
Mind boggles at this point. :D 		pulling hair out (4493)
285717 2004-10-28 21:43:00 "Mind boggles .."

Just to stir the pot, what is this mind thing you refer to ..

T 		TonyF (246)
285718 2004-10-28 21:47:00 > but then there are the
> frontiers of scientific knowledge

This extract (www.zu.co.nz) from Dan's Data (www.dansdata.com) says it all. 		Greg S (201)
285719 2004-10-28 21:49:00 > Metla, if that guy was a good enough salesman to get
> you to buy something you didn't need/believe in, then
> I reckon he should get into the computer industry
> instead .
>
> Should have hired him for the week to work in your
> outfit to see if it doubled your sales! [ps . not
> suggesting your sales need boosting though . ]
>
> re: the snakeoil, I thought you were slippery enough
> to get out of any situation . ;\
>
> re: the magnetic belt skin, just who or what are you
> trying to attract ?
> Mind boggles at this point . :D




To be honest,when my back is having a turn someone could walk in off the street and sell me a magic carrot for $30 bucks if there was a slim chance it would help .

And my sales always need boosting,Maybe i should go into cahoots with him and offer magnetic pain relief with every comp sold . . . . . 		metla (154)
285720 2004-10-28 21:53:00 > > but then there are the
> > frontiers of scientific knowledge
>
> This
> extract ( . zu . co . nz/magnetictherapy . htm" target="_blank">www . zu . co . nz) from
> Dan's
> Data ( . dansdata . com/magnets2 . htm" target="_blank">www . dansdata . com) says it all .



Even those selling the gear acknowledge its scientificly unproven,thats not news . Maybe you should give it a go .

Having said that i gave it a go and it proved nothing,i could swear it worked instantly,but couldn't convince myself if it was just in my knoggin or not .

Plus it fell down around my ankles while i was making (trying) a sale,Short sharp trip to the floor . . . . . . 		metla (154)
285721 2004-10-28 21:55:00 Leave my mind alone. [ if you can find it can you let me know? :D ]
If I'm still having trouble running after it after it starts wandering away, there's no way you know what it referred to.

But since you were interested in perhaps deviant meanings with my "mind boggles", maybe it's what came into your mind which would be of more interest to everyone ]:)

Cheers. 		pulling hair out (4493)
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