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Thread ID: 50673	2004-10-28 10:27:00	OT about magnets	paradox (1082)	Press F1

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285802	2004-10-31 04:22:00	I’ve watched this thread with a fair bit of interest hopeing someone may be able to explain a phenomena that has annoyed me for a number of years now. Let me explain. All my life I’ve had an interest in horses. From riding them in my younger days, to breeding them, racing them and everything in between. Now the horse had the misfortune to have been designed by a team high on hooch or something stronger. I make this assumption based on the fact that they never bothered to put any muscles below the knee. This leaves the foot below the ankle (fetlock) controlled by ropes (tendons) and muscles above the knee. Now engineering wise, ropes are not renown for their ability to push things so a horse is quite vulnerable to leg injuries. Man, having evolved with the horse over thousands of years, has acquired the ability to tell when a horse is experiencing pain in a leg and how to determine which one and where. I wont bore you with all the details, unless someone really, really, wants to know. On occasions I have had to engage the services of a Vet and in the last ten or so years I have noticed they more and more often have used Magnetic and or Ultra sound equipment. Well, I’m as big a sceptic as you’ll find when it comes to this mumbo jumbo, but I can assure you that after treatment, on all most every occasion, the darn horse has shown no sign of lameness. This has happened on a number of occasions with different horses, different Vets and different equipment. This begs the question of how and why? Asking the Vets didn’t produce any technical explanation that I could understand, but more and more of them have purchased this expensive gear and are adamant it works in most cases. As Billy pointed out early in the discussion the animal has no knowledge of what is happening and how it should respond. If one stands back and has a good think about things, I guess it is not uncommon in history for the “effect” to be found before the “cause”. Like most of you I just HATE the unexplained. :D	B.M. (505)
285803	2004-10-31 05:47:00	I don't know BM but this treatment seems to fit exLL's explanation regarding electro-magnetic pulse therapy . Thats a horse of a different colour indeed, to the use of static magnets . Indeed physiotherapists (another breed of snake oil sellers) use this pulse therapy all the time to stimulate muscles and prevent fibrous growths when tendons heal . They reckon it works . I reckon it frees them up to treat three patients at once rather than one at a time . ]:)	Winston001 (3612)
285804	2004-10-31 05:52:00	hmmm....if i go to physio and they want to use those gizmo's i refuse to let them,in my experience they have done nothing,or maybe i just feel they should do some work. Anyhow,i insist on a massage,and if not then i go elsewhere.	metla (154)
285805	2004-10-31 09:51:00	> > Drug companies (and they scientists they employ) > are > > interested in profit,not your health . > > I can't ignore this . Oddly enough Metla, you are in > business for profit too . That is just business . > > A good friend of mine works for a large American > pharmaceutical company . He has been researching for > 12 years for a cure for arthritis . Terrible disease . > Millions of dollars have been spent on this project . > > The result so far? Nada . Nothing . No cure . It might > take 20 years - and another company could find the > answer in the meantime . Millions of dollars risked > for possibly no success . Thats excellent,tell him to keep his chin up and soldier on,im sure he will get paid for his time,Either way the company he works for or one of the competitors stand to make untold billions if they find a care for Arthritis, They wont find a cure of course,but in the meantime they can sell em drugs to dull it,then some more drugs to counter the side effects of the initial drugs . . . . > > But my main worry is the current fashion to bag > science . Kids do not see scientific careers as doing > good . The part that alternative medicine plays is > that rational educated people loudly reject > scientific knowledge in preference for mystical > therapies . And science is portrayed as bad, > monocular, self-interested . > > I really do dispair . How do you know what kids think? Anyhow,ignoring that,If someone is smart enough to be a scientist then they should be forced by the state to do so, . . . . Maybe we need to ship a few hardliners over from China to give Mz Clark a few guidelines on how to run a labour orintated party .	metla (154)
285806	2004-10-31 10:09:00	Tonight this thread passed 100 posts and I couldn't resist the urge to send a repeat of my thanks note which is somewhere back on page 5. Heaps of thanks for all the posts to this thread, they brightened my day. And my wife will definitely recover from the avalanche of Press F1 notifications that poured onto her screen when she asked Eudora to "Get Mail." We like to think that we are sceptics about crackpot science too, but when a condition turns up that hurts like hell and for which there are no remedies at all, then scepticism gets a bit blurry around the edges. If magnets help I'll get back and let you know. Thanks again...you're a great lot. Cheers Ken.	paradox (1082)
285807	2004-10-31 12:00:00	Hey Paradox, Have you or your wife unchecked the box "always email me watch update notices" yet? Can't imagine what it would be like to download over 100 emails . Did it take very long? It has definitely lead to an interesting discussion . Hope you find the relief you are looking for . Any other OT's in the offing? Cheers, Marg .	pulling hair out (4493)
285808	2004-11-01 08:52:00	No Marg, I haven't unchecked that box. Each evening I would have a little chuckle, delete all the e-mails then scoot to PF1 and read them. Well, over the years I have had a couple of very positive experiences with what I guess would be called "fringe" medicine, when orthodox science was unable to help. But I'm still wary of crackpot medicine. Maybe OT them some day but not until the magnet marathon has faded away. Thanks for the kind thought. Ken.	paradox (1082)
285809	2004-11-01 11:01:00	> I don't know BM but this treatment seems to fit > exLL's explanation regarding electro-magnetic pulse > therapy. Thats a horse of a different colour indeed, > to the use of static magnets. That's a good response. And to answer the ultrasound aspect - that's not mumbo-jumbo by any stretch of the imagination. Why physios use it, is because it rapidly stimulates the inflamed muscle tissue, which in turn warms the area and encourages more blood to the area. This in turn aids the healing. It's similar to deep-massage where the sore area is vigourously stimulated to and well beyond the comfort level, to achieve more blood flow in the afflicted area.	Greg S (201)
285810	2004-11-01 14:25:00	Happy to endorse ultrasound, Greg. No, it's certainly not "alternative."for physios by now. Some people swear by its good results. Ultrasound is also used in hospitals for diagnosing other more serious things - the equivalent of X-rays. Been there, done that in this family recently. It sems to have it right.	Laura (43)
285811	2004-11-01 20:24:00	> Happy to endorse ultrasound, Greg. > No, it's certainly not "alternative."for physios by now. > Some people swear by its good results. I bet it was considered "alternative" not all that long ago though. :-)	Susan B (19)
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