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| 285792 | 2004-10-30 19:45:00 | Incorrect spelling is not something that affects me,when i write a book i'll pay more attention,untell then perhaps you could contemplate the reality that what matters to you may mean nothing to others and that this doesn't make you superior anywhere except in your own mind. Open it. |
metla (154) | ||
| 285793 | 2004-10-30 21:17:00 | Oh dear, oh dear, anyone who rubbishes scientists and science must expect to be mocked, in a pleasant way of course, with a <grin>, so as not to break the house 'rules'. | Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 285794 | 2004-10-30 21:25:00 | Sorry,Please continue. | metla (154) | ||
| 285795 | 2004-10-30 23:30:00 | Ok, it's time for a tune, 'You've Got to Be Modernistic', Clarence Williams and his Jazz Kings, 1929, with Eva Taylor. www.redhotjazz.com |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 285796 | 2004-10-30 23:31:00 | Oops, www.redhotjazz.com |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 285797 | 2004-10-31 00:11:00 | >Drug companies (and they scientists they employ) are > interested in profit,not your health. I can't ignore this. Oddly enough Metla, you are in business for profit too. That is just business. A good friend of mine works for a large American pharmaceutical company. He has been researching for 12 years for a cure for arthritis. Terrible disease. Millions of dollars have been spent on this project. The result so far? Nada. Nothing. No cure. It might take 20 years - and another company could find the answer in the meantime. Millions of dollars risked for possibly no success. So it is not suprising that modern drugs are so expensive. The developers have to recover years of investment as well as pay for ongoing research. If it was just a matter of using magnets, reflexology, or naturopathy, wouldn't these rapacious American companies be first on board the treatment train? Much easier for them. The reality is that alternative therapies only work for some people and are uneven in their results. There is a place for Eastern medicine. It is much better at treating the gestalt - the whole person. By contrast Western medicine is very good at trauma and direct intervention. But my main worry is the current fashion to bag science. Kids do not see scientific careers as doing good. The part that alternative medicine plays is that rational educated people loudly reject scientific knowledge in preference for mystical therapies. And science is portrayed as bad, monocular, self-interested. I really do dispair. |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
| 285798 | 2004-10-31 00:27:00 | There is very little scope anymore Winston, for a career in science in NZ. That little upstart Upton effectively killed it. A career suggests a long term committment, a long term job, developing experience, and lots of other things like that. The New Right turned it into short term contract work with groups competing with each other for funding, and the work geared primarily towards solving an immediate technological problem. No funding - no job. The extent of scientific ignorance was show by the minister, and media at the time of the "Corngate" affair. It was quite apparent they had not the faintest idea of statistical sampling, not the slightest. Even now thet (she) is still rabbiting on about 'zero tolerance'. Gosh am I glad I started work during the days when all large firms in UK had extensive research and development laboratories, when real research was carried out at Universities, and when a long term career in science or technology was a reality in either industry or academia. |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 285799 | 2004-10-31 02:27:00 | At least you're "gifted" Terry, even if it's with more irrational beliefs than anyone else.:D I notice that L Johnston used good scientific terms such as "could in some way","results ... who knows" (oops ;-)) ,"maybe"... ;- Deleauze in 1813 published a book with instructions on how to perform magnetic therapy:Forget for a while all your knowledge of physics and metaphysics. Remove from your mind all objections that may occur. Imagine that it is in your power to take the malady in hand and throw it on one side. Never reason for six weeks after you have commenced the study. Have an active desire to do good; a firm belief in the power of magnetism, and an entire confidence in employing it. In short, repel all doubts;desire success, and act with simplicity and attention. As Mackay says, " That is to say, 'be very credulous; be very persevering; reject all past experience, and do not listen to reason', and you are a magnetiser after M. Deleuzes's own heart.". I think we've seen a few people who have excessively open minds. |
Graham L (2) | ||
| 285800 | 2004-10-31 02:43:00 | >I think we've seen a few people who have excessively open minds . But, we don't want them so open that their brains fall out - Magnetism can be very attractive, on the other hand it is quite repulsive . R2 |
R2x1 (4628) | ||
| 285801 | 2004-10-31 03:18:00 | Wow! there has been a lot of interest in this thread . It seems to have some sort of magnetic attraction . :D An earlier post made mention of an elephant that was treated for joint pain . For those who might be interested, there is an article in the Consumer magazine ( November 2003, pages 8 to 11, issue no 431 ), headed "The Big Attraction" . It mentions the elephant's treatment, and also investigates various claims about magnetic underblankets and other devices . Re the elephant, the animal physiotherapist, Kevin Walmsley, explained that "Kashin" was being treated with electro-magnetic pulse therapy which is very different to the static magnets used in the various devices advertised to the general public . Cheers . :) |
exLL (515) | ||
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