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Thread ID: 50775	2004-11-01 06:27:00	Disk Scan in DOS?	Pumpkin Eater (6341)	Press F1

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286717	2004-11-01 06:27:00	can D/S be run from DOS on a Win ME PC? and how? i have a bit of experince with DOS. I need to know so to fix a PC at a Drop-in-centre where WIN ME says defrag has not run for 400 days, refuses to run until disk errors are fixed. full disk scan and repair will take all day. just to run fro the first hour i had to put into safe mode then go to task manager as still stuff running. just left Explorer and Diskscan going. i then canceled because of time restrains. if i can run diskscan from DOS i can make a boot disk with a scrip file to run diskscan. The boss at the centre had somebody set up the PC to do it automaticly every Friday, nobody noticed that defrag was refusing to finish. the disk will prevent people shutting down diskscan in Windows. can Defrag be called up from Dos? i do know defrag is a Windows depentant app. if i can do everything by booting up with a flopppy it would be good. I would have to go into their BIOS and set to boot from A, i had it to boot from C first as they always left a floppy in the drive when shutting down.	Pumpkin Eater (6341)
286718	2004-11-01 06:40:00	Press F8 and select DOS prompt. Then type scandisk(c). I think ME has it there. Never used it. (ME). I think DOS also has defrag , just type defrag. Or defrag in safe mode. Press F8 (hold F8 down), as soon as the system boots and select Safe mode. I would say defrag doesnt work coz it usually stops @ 10% when youre in Windows. Coz things are running in the background. And its better to defrag in safe mode..	Spacemannz (808)
286719	2004-11-01 06:49:00	i understand F8 then picking dos rather than safe mode, but i want to do it without loading Windows at all. ensuring thta nothing is running in the back ground, and preventing people from shutting it down except by doingt a reboot without the floppy. one guy plays solitare 24/7 if he had the chance	Pumpkin Eater (6341)
286720	2004-11-01 06:56:00	Well thats why u have safe mode. Nothing is running in the background. It just loads whats needed to load Windows. So, you can use it. Thats why its better to defrag in Safe mode. Coz it wont stop. And pressing F8 before Windows loads doesnt load Windows. Well, to stop him playing I would put up a screensaver and put a password on it. That'll fix it. All u haveta do is remember the password!	Spacemannz (808)
286721	2004-11-01 07:21:00	so what is safe mode? windows with few drivers, and screen saver disabled. when i booted up in safe mode, diskscan still restarted 10 times before giving up, checking task manager, i found "Webshots" running, this is their screensaver, downloaded and unregerestered. it ran despite being in safe mode. screen saver is a task in the back ground, pressing a key and entering a password will upset diskscan no end. or am i mising something, how could i disable the keyboard if i need to press f8? is it safe to pull out the ps2 keyboard connector once in safe mode? easy to do what i want then with mouse. i use pcs sometimes without mouse to prive it can be done. and that the zx spectrum had no mouse and still worked	Pumpkin Eater (6341)
286722	2004-11-01 07:28:00	As far as I know scandisk cannot be run from dos in Win ME . This is just one reason why ME is so badly regarded, it is not possible to carry out disk repairs outside of windows . . . . pathetic . Defrag has never been able to run outside of Windows 9x/ME . So I think you are forced to use Safe Mode . . iafrica . com/c/cq/cquirke/me-dos . htm" target="_blank">users . iafrica . com	Terry Porritt (14)
286723	2004-11-01 07:42:00	Well everything is disabled (programs, and usually devices u have inside the case) in safe mode (or should be). It can be used to fix problems. BUT u can still uninstall SOME programs in safe mode. Nothing SHOULD be running. BUT what's needed to load Windows. Does it say safe mode on the desktop? If not, then you're not in safe mode. Well no not a good idea to pull the PS2 out while the system is on. It could kill the PS2 port. The only way you're going to stop whoever from even getting into Windows, is to go to a shareware site and download some kinda security program, so u can lock the system. Or even better get 2000 or XP, so u can lock the system with a password. Or even better uninstall Solitaire! I would say even tho Webshots is running (if u think it is in safe mode), it shouldnt make any diff. If youre in safe mode. Well windows can be used without a mouse. You just have to know what the shortcuts are.	Spacemannz (808)
286724	2004-11-01 08:21:00	> so what is safe mode? windows with few drivers, and screen saver disabled. Check out the forum's FAQ section (link top right of this page) for FAQ #31 - What is safe mode? How do I restart in safe mode? which may be of some help in defining Safe Mode but not with running scandisk from DOS. You might also want to check out FAQ #15 - Basic computer maintenance and FAQ #34 - Why does scandisk/defrag stop after only 10%?.	Susan B (19)
286725	2004-11-01 12:00:00	Suzan, i do know what safe mode is, just i am dealing with a weird PC. it was in safe mode, as the screen lost most colours, and the word safe etc was in the corners. what surpised me was the Webshots screen saver was still running in safe mode. likely this is why Defrag has not finished for 400 plus days. There is a profestional maanger who set up automatic defrag 400 days ago and never checked to see it it did its thing. I also do the maintence on a PC for a sheltered workshop, i started about 6 months ago, after calling in to tell them that thye were due fro their 25th bithday. the manager had been trying to find out. all i was doing was going into the verticl file at the library fro things and came acroos a newspaper clipping about hteir opening in 1980. they have a number of donated WIN 95 pcs which their clinetsts have the run of, and they all work well. But the managers PC is in a bad way. He has 60Gb HDD, and was using CD r/w like floppys, saving one doc at a time. his my ducumnets folder is only 2.5MB. he has Photoshop which he neevr used. he had a 4 way power point put in by an electriacain for it, rather than a surge surpresser multibox. he is in Owner all of the time, all of his staff use the same Owner, no passswords, yet he has confidenatials stuff. somebody is downloading games and screen savers and cursers nonstop. 5 months ago i found he has never udated his XP and did not have SP1. i found MSblaster (which SP1 is supposed to protect against) by insatlling AVG as his Norton was two years out of date, i tell him about Blaster, an dhe wants me to tell him who sent it to him so he can hassle them about their weak PC sercurtiy. then i put Spybot 1.2 on and found 200 items which i got rid off. then i became unwell, being in Hospiatl with internal bleeding for a few weeks, an dAVG told him he has Sassor, which AVG did not fix, so he took the CPU unit to alocal shop and piad $130 fro them to remove it. last week i was there, i just had time to download off my USB card Spybot 1.3 but not insatlll it. I have already put XP SP1 on from the free MS disk, now auto updates won't work. i have to put SP 2 on still. I can not make him uderstand the **** he is downloading is causing him problems, and seeting up othe rusers on hte pC rather than only having a Administer acount is a lot safer. he says he trusts his satff. I did a serach fro JPG, a si do nbot trust some of the people he has there working fro him. but no Porn. He has a woodworking shop at the back which is no longer used, one of his volenteers does use the machines, a saw benceh with no guard, and incorrectky set so as to throw timeber out ayt the operater. he seses no proble and his satff memebr did not put the guard back when his boss told himm too. OSH fined a local joinery $20,000 after twice telling htem to put the guard back on and being ignored. This si a profestional maanger running a sheltered workshop from tax payer funding. (excsue my spelling i ma vey late.)	Pumpkin Eater (6341)
286726	2004-11-01 20:22:00	> Suzan, i do know what safe mode is, just i am dealing with a weird PC . Sorry, I was not sure what your level of expertise was . It is difficult to tell sometimes . > 5 months ago i found he has never udated his XP and did not have SP1 . i found MSblaster (which SP1 is supposed to protect against) by insatlling AVG as his Norton was two years out of date, i tell him about Blaster, an dhe wants me to tell him who sent it to him so he can hassle them about their weak PC sercurtiy . :^O Now that's a classic . :D Good luck, I hope you get it sorted . :-)	Susan B (19)
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