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| 287883 | 2004-11-04 12:17:00 | > presential presidential (+1 post count) |
alphazulusixeightniner (185) | ||
| 287884 | 2004-11-04 19:52:00 | Yeah Kazaa Lite is great - no spyware or any other crud, and although waning in popularity, it still has around 2.5 million users online at any given time | Greg S (201) | ||
| 287885 | 2004-11-04 20:10:00 | > ive been trying to download farenhight 9/11 Why would you want to declare that you're a thief on a public forum? Would you doom the same for speeding or shoplifting? Stealing movies and music is OK? |
POTUS (5276) | ||
| 287886 | 2004-11-04 20:15:00 | > Why would you want to declare that you're a thief on > a public forum? Would you doom the same for speeding > or shoplifting? Stealing movies and music is OK? I speed. *waits for the ticket to be sent* |
whtafo (156) | ||
| 287887 | 2004-11-04 20:17:00 | > > Why would you want to declare that you're a thief > on > > a public forum? Would you doom the same for > speeding > > or shoplifting? Stealing movies and music is OK? > > I speed. > > *waits for the ticket to be sent* :^O lol |
Greg S (201) | ||
| 287888 | 2004-11-04 20:54:00 | Greg S > lol That was funny because.....? I made a valid point It's people like me, who pay for software, that have to cover the cost of software theft. Just as the customer of a shop ultimately caries the can for shoplifting. But it seems OK to steal software, but wrong to hold up a bank? So many double standard in the world today that I get confused. |
POTUS (5276) | ||
| 287889 | 2004-11-04 21:12:00 | > I made a valid point It's people like me, who pay for > software, that have to cover the cost of software > theft. Just as the customer of a shop ultimately > caries the can for shoplifting. > > But it seems OK to steal software, but wrong to hold > up a bank? So many double standard in the world today > that I get confused. Irrelivant of your feelings in regards to pirated software, the original poster is a complete moron for saying he wants to download movies on a public forum. |
Pete O'Neil (250) | ||
| 287890 | 2004-11-04 21:25:00 | > Greg S > lol > > That was funny because.....? Because perhaps he and I take life a little less seriously than most. I don't like to flout the law; I try to be a conscientious citizen and tax-payer, but honestly, do-gooders can sometimes take things to the extreme. You're paying a high price for software/videos/music whatever, not because of piracy, but because of GREED. Greed on the part of the developers and distributors. Music on records, tapes and CD's has always been disproprtionately priced, long before the popularity of peer-to-peer file sharing. [rhetorical question] Why are the artists and movie stars/producers/directors and the likes of Sony so incredibly wealthy? [/rhetorical question] |
Greg S (201) | ||
| 287891 | 2004-11-04 21:35:00 | > It's people like me, who pay for software, that have to cover the cost of software theft Er, he said he was downloading a movie, not software. And Michael Moore did say for people to go right ahead and download his movie, because he wanted as many people as possible to see it. However, there are several underlying issues with regards to people illegally sourcing software and/or entertainment. Some of it is a rebellion against what is seen as high prices that aren't justified. Yes, partly there is the catch-22 situation, but it's quite likely that if prices were dropped on software and entertainment (movies, music, what have you), more people would legitimately fork out their money. I don't believe there is a double standard, I think it's more to do with digital crimes being easier to commit than, say, robbing a bank. How hard is it to burn a copy of a music CD? How much does it cost to do this, when CD writers are widespread and blank media can be found for less than $1 per CD? Now compare that to the cost and effort of planning to rob a bank, buying equipment to do so, and facing the fact that you are far more likely to be caught. I'm not advocating that we should erode public rights, or that Trusted Computing should be implemented. What I'm saying is that it's easy to go over the speed limit, it's easy to download a song, it's easy to find serial keys for software. We shouldn't focus so much on making it harder to do these things, but on making it easier to not do these things (although that would be rather hard to do with regards to going over the speed limit). Some people use open source software rather than illegal copies of commercial software. Which do you think is the better choice? And how might you go around promoting that better choice, so that you don't have to personally cover the cost of software piracy? |
agent (30) | ||
| 287892 | 2004-11-04 21:41:00 | > Because perhaps he and I take life a little less seriously than most. So, theft is OK as long as we're not taking it seriously. > I don't like to flout the law; I try to be a conscientious citizen and tax-payer, but honestly, do-gooders can sometimes take things to the extreme. So, theft is OK as long as we're conscentious and paying our taxes. > You're paying a high price for software/videos/music whatever, not because of piracy, but because of GREED. Greed on the part of the developers and distributors. Music on records, tapes and CD's has always been disproprtionately priced, long before the popularity of peer-to-peer file sharing. But it's not greedy to take software/videos/music without paying for them? > Why are the artists and movie stars/producers/directors and the likes of Sony so incredibly wealthy? Modern society rewards those that entertain us (music companies, singers, actors, sports people) far more than those who look after us (Doctors, nurses, etc). It doesn't matter whether it's right or wrong, it's legal. But it doesn't make it right for the poor steal from the rich. My point was actually more to do with the public self-outing of the theif in a public forum. |
POTUS (5276) | ||
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