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Thread ID: 51042	2004-11-10 02:31:00	hi there re psu issue	Tux (606)	Press F1

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290113	2004-11-10 03:34:00	The brand of that case is Fairyland,And while i cant recall the brand of psu it was resanabley heavy,and I haven't had any reports of them failing yet. Thats not to say that they would rank up beside the "recommended" power supplies,but people tend to get a bit carried away condeming every PSU apart from 2 or 3 brands as the work of the devil and the harbringer of Doom.....	metla (154)
290114	2004-11-10 03:36:00	>as the work of the devil and the harbringer of Doom..... Would that be Doom, Doom 2 or Doom 3?	Biggles (121)
290115	2004-11-10 03:40:00	DOOM 3: Resurrection of Evil In stores soon. Probally need a powerful rig to run it,So heres a link to the flagship comp on my site. www.lmao,just jokin.com	metla (154)
290116	2004-11-10 03:49:00	For an average user, an el-cheapo power supply will be sufficent . Even if it breaks down in a couple of years time, it's just another $40 for another el-cheapo one . It's better than spending hundreds on a good one now, as there's no guarantee that the cheap PSU will fail in a few years time . Generally, PSUs have a 1 year warranty (or more), and if it dies, simply return it under a warranty claim . Personally I have never come across any PC which has been damaged or destroyed from a faulty or cheap dying PSU, unless of course it has been hit by a power surge/spike . The PC I'm writing on now has a cheap case, with a cheap non-brand-name PSU and it's served me good for many years . The PSU in my other PC was part of a $50 case, it's very quiet and I have had no problems with it yet (although I've only had it for a year) . My opinion: If you don't have a lot of money to spend, just stick to the PSU bundled in the case of your choice . 350/400watt should be sufficient for your needs .	somebody (208)
290117	2004-11-10 04:04:00	pppfffttt. the power out put doesnt say it all, it all depends on the brand of it, pete has it right, he knows what he is talking about, ive got a shuttle 250W psu and ive got 2HDD, a radeon 9600se, a burner and a dvd rom, go for a quality psu, not a cheap heap of junk because they could go boom and then you have your self a paper weight...	Prescott (11)
290118	2004-11-10 04:28:00	As Pete said in another post "There are 2 sides to every story" . He has told his side, I am telling mine . It's up to the original person asking the question to decide . I agree that a good quality power supply will be good, will last long, and will outperform higher rated cheap PSUs . However, not everyone has the money to spend on expensive PSUs, and performance is not always the main factor which every PC shopper looks for .	somebody (208)
290119	2004-11-10 04:31:00	I've heard many people say that the wattage output is unimportant and that it's the current that matters. And even to say that a cheap 400W psu may not be able to power a PC whereas a decent 350W will... Do these people not know that Watts = Volts x Amps? Let's take the 3.3V rail for example (important as it powers the CPU). My PC has a 400W Olympic power supply. It came with my case. The current for the 3.3V rail is 20A. That means the wattage is 3.3 x 20 = 66W for that line. If a power supply could do 100W for that line, the current would be higher as the voltage would be the same. Therefore, even a dirt cheap crap as hell power supply will provide what its WATTS rating is. If we add all the other rails up: 3.3V @ 20A = 66W 5V @ 20A = 100W 12V @ 10A = 120W -12V @ 0.5A = 6W 5VSB @ 2A = 10W -5V @ 0.5A = 2.5W -------------------- 304.5W Now that's interesting, isn't it? So the output of my 400W power supply is pretty much 300W... I'm sure there is a reason but anyway, moving on: Now let's look at the 400W power supplies I sell in my shop. They're made by Leaf. 3.3V @ 30A = 99W 12V @ 16A = 192W -12V @ 0.5A = 6W 5V @ 32A = 160W -5V @ 0.5A = 2.5W 5VSB @ 2A = 10W --------------------------- 469.5W So, it seems what I said at the start of the post is blatently wrong. The PSU above by far outperforms the one even further above, by an astonishing degree. But the strangest thing I found is that the actual output of the power supplies seemed to have little relevance to their rating. How interesting... George	george12 (7)
290120	2004-11-10 05:30:00	somebody I think you'll find that a good quality PSU can actually save money in the long run, plus you get the peice of mind that the device powering your system isnt likely to go up in smoke and possibly kill your brand new Athlon64. A well chosen PSU can last for longer than just one build. If in the future you choose to build a new PC or upgrade a few parts theres no reason why a well chosen PSU cant be re used. Where as a cheap PSU that bearly powers you current PC will have to be replaced. The quality PSU's also often have more molex connectors and longer cables, allow you to power more device without the need for spliters and making cable routing alot easier. A PSU that isnt capable of powering the PC can lead to system instabiliy and in some cases damage the PC itself. The companies that build the cheap PSU's have poor quality control and its not unusual for the PSU to go up in a cloud of smoke, if your lucky you'll only loose your mobo, worst case senario you'll lose the entire PC. I know i'd rather spend that lil bit extra to know that your PC will be safe. A good quality PSU isnt really all that expensive, a good one can be found for around $100-140, as much as i dont like Thermaltake they are cheap and nowhere nears as crap as a non-name brand or the likes of Deer and Hyena. Like i said earlier if you really dont want to spend the cash on a decent PSU then the PSU's that come with AOpen and iCute cases are good for the price, especially AOpen. There not in the same league as Antec or Enermex but nowhere near as bad as noname brands. I appears that your only disagreeing with me in spite for an earlier post, if so your a very petty man, if not and you genuinely feel a elcheapo PSU is suffecient for the orignal posters new PC I pity you. george12 ive got no idea what your talking about, you seem to change your opinion halfway through the post. Its common knowledge that somebody I think you'll find that a good quality PSU can actually save money in the long run, plus you get the peice of mind that the device powering your system isnt likely to go up in smoke and possibly kill your brand new Athlon64. A well chosen PSU can last for longer than just one build. If in the future you choose to build a new PC or upgrade a few parts theres no reason why a well chosen PSU cant be re used. Where as a cheap PSU that bearly powers you current PC will have to be replaced. The quality PSU's also often have more molex connectors and longer cables, allow you to power more device without the need for spliters and making cable routing alot easier. A PSU that isnt capable of powering the PC can lead to system instabiliy and in some cases damage the PC itself. The companies that build the cheap PSU's have poor quality control and its not unusual for the PSU to go up in a cloud of smoke, if your lucky you'll only loose your mobo, worst case senario you'll lose the entire PC. I know i'd rather spend that lil bit extra to know that your PC will be safe. A good quality PSU isnt really all that expensive, a good one can be found for around $100-140, as much as i dont like Thermaltake they are cheap and nowhere nears as crap as a non-name brand or the likes of Deer and Hyena. Like i said earlier if you really dont want to spend the cash on a decent PSU then the PSU's that come with AOpen and iCute cases are good for the price, especially AOpen. There not in the same league as Antec or Enermex but nowhere near as bad as noname brands. I appears that your only disagreeing with me in spite for an earlier post, if so your a very petty man, if not and you genuinely feel a elcheapo PSU is suffecient for the orignal posters new PC I pity you. george12 ive got no idea what your talking about, you seem to change your opinion halfway through the post. It common knowledge that Wattage = Amps x Voltage, so unless they slept through 4th form science most people will know that. You cant really use products from your website as they are exactly "quality" brands.	Pete O'Neil (250)
290121	2004-11-10 05:31:00	Arh f$#k i kinda screwed that post up	Pete O'Neil (250)
290122	2004-11-10 05:41:00	Sure did. Yes I did change my opinion half way through the post :). In doing the actual test myself I found that everyone was right, and there is in fact an enormous difference between a cheap (came with $59 case) and better-but-still-cheap PSU ($44 on its own). Those are the prices they're sold for BTW. Most should sdtill be able to follow it though, right? George	george12 (7)
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