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| Thread ID: 51410 | 2004-11-20 01:29:00 | And so the battle of M$ v Linux begins | miknz (3731) | Press F1 |
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| 294163 | 2004-11-20 19:46:00 | Ive not been a fan of SuSE.... Crashed on all the boxes I used it on, or simply wouldnt install back in the days of 8.x Yoper is good - but very bleeding edge and slightly unstable or buggy because of it. Its fast, local, but its just that it has a little bit further to go before I would recommend it over Windows. Ark Linux - Ive not used in a few minor versions but I wanna download it and give it a whirl again. It was good. Responsive but not quite as fast. It was more stable than both SuSE & Yoper. Came with all the software you could ever want on all those 2, 3, or 4 CD's (depending on if you want server tools, developer tools etc). I would still (Im sorry to say) recommend Ark Linux over SuSE and Yoper. Never been a Mandrake Fan, Fedora just doesnt appeal to me (And lack of a good package management system last I heard), Xandros/Lindows/Lycoris are nice but too minimal. Debian installation is difficult for n00bs, as is Gentoo (If a Gentoo install was as easy/simple as Ark Linux... Then Linux would rule the world ;-)). Chris: I highly suggest you give Ark Linux a shot. There's still one or two buggy apps (in 0.11 kaffeine crashed on exit and rosegarden didnt work but thats it) but its still a hell of a lot better than SuSE. Im going to be downloading it so I'll send it your way if you want?? Chill. |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 294164 | 2004-11-20 22:57:00 | http://www.libranet.com/ Have a look at this link. Libranet is a nice easy way to get close to Debian. I've got it on a partition on my desktop PC, play with it when I get some spare moments. I must admit that statements like Steve Ballmers give me the shudders. My son, who is now a developer in the UK, reckons that the Longhorn debacle will do MS a lot of harm. Time will tell I suppose, but every dog has its day and maybe MS's is just about in decline and Linux's is about to come. |
jcr1 (893) | ||
| 294165 | 2004-11-21 02:01:00 | > I must admit that statements like Steve Ballmers give > me the shudders. I find it amusing.... ;-) > My son, who is now a developer in the UK, reckons > that the Longhorn debacle will do MS a lot of harm. > Time will tell I suppose, but every dog has its day > and maybe MS's is just about in decline and Linux's > is about to come. So far Longhorn looks set to be bloat built on bloat built on an unstable system. I think your son has his head screwed on the right way, I agree that Linux is on the rise and Microsoft is declining :-) |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 294166 | 2004-11-21 03:04:00 | >So far Longhorn looks set to be bloat built on bloat built on an unstable system. Just what my son said to me. I'm not as knowledgeable, as you Chill, or my son - more an enthusiastic amateur (sort of); but one of my niggles with windows is the registry - always a potential for disaster - it seems a cumbersome way to do things, sort of like an add on (Linux doesn't need one). I don't want to sound like an MS knocker as it's probably served me pretty well since I got interested in computing about 8 years ago but there is a lot that can be questioned. Mind you, developers, quite often don't help matters. An anecdote; I wanted to try out Fencepost TV's coverage of Fonterra's AGM - it didn't work so I put a posting on their discussion board. Was subsequently rung by their services manager who informed me that it would only work in IE. "But, bbbut" (youcan imagine me stuttering here) "IE is not stable" (I run Mozilla & Firefox) " and anyway if it's tested in Mozilla it will work with just about everything". His reply; "yes well, most people run IE so that is what we'll develop it in". My thought - duh. My son's comment to that was that there is a bit too much of that sort of attitude around (he hates sloppy programming). |
jcr1 (893) | ||
| 294167 | 2004-11-21 03:47:00 | > Just what my son said to me. > I'm not as knowledgeable, as you Chill, or my son - > more an enthusiastic amateur (sort of); Hey, how do you think I began?! ;-) > but one of my > niggles with windows is the registry - always a > potential for disaster - it seems a cumbersome way to > do things, sort of like an add on (Linux doesn't need > one). Its designed to hide things from the user in a world where you're not supposed to know whats really going on.... > I don't want to sound like an MS knocker as > it's probably served me pretty well since I got > interested in computing about 8 years ago but there > is a lot that can be questioned. Such as whats hiding in there.... > Mind you, developers, quite often don't help > matters. True, but the Linux and Open-Source developers seem to be able to do things (seemingly) a lot better without hiding anything from end-users like me. > An anecdote; I wanted to try out Fencepost TV's > coverage of Fonterra's AGM - it didn't work so I > put a posting on their discussion board. Was > subsequently rung by their services manager who > informed me that it would only work in IE. "But, > bbbut" (youcan imagine me stuttering here) "IE is > not stable" (I run Mozilla & Firefox) " and anyway > if it's tested in Mozilla it will work with just > about everything". His reply; "yes well, most people > run IE so that is what we'll develop it in". My > thought - duh. Everbody huh?! Well, they say ignorance is bliss..... :p > My son's comment to that was that there is a bit too > much of that sort of attitude around (he hates sloppy > programming). So it seems... Initial indications are it will require an 800+mhz CPU, 16MB AGP (Not Onboard) Graphics card, 512MB Ram MInimum.... KDE-3.3.x was and is undergoing a lot of refinements and code cleanup.... Compiling with newer GCC versions is always getting better and more optimised.... Remind me why I would want to wait 6-7 years between releases of an already incredibly buggy and insecure OS? Simple fact is they should be running scared because of that fact alone, that new features etc can come out and be implemented.... And aside from the fact that its not a _true_ multi-user system is a real negative that would require an almost complete re-write of core components of the OS. </rant > Now I feel much better :-) |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 294168 | 2004-11-21 05:56:00 | > Remind me why I would want to wait 6-7 years between > releases of an already incredibly buggy and insecure > OS? > > Simple fact is they should be running scared because > of that fact alone, that new features etc can come > out and be implemented . . . . > And aside from the fact that its not a _true_ > multi-user system is a real negative that would > require an almost complete re-write of core > components of the OS . > > </rant > > > Now I feel much better :-) ALMOST????????????????????????????????????? Longhorn is bloat, on bloat (XP), on bloat (Not so bad 2K),on stolen(Partly) bloat (NT), on bloat (98SE), Ect Ect . All the way back to the arguments around "stolen" Computer time, and QDOS . Which is the origin of M/S . The original faulted base, and the core of the problem . The house of Microsoft has been built on an unstable Island in a Tidal Esturay Swamp . The pilings are rotting . If New pilings are put in solid high ground . Skilled New Zealand house movers may be able to save the House of Microsoft . (Yes New Zealanders did pioneer house moving in its modern forms) . D . |
drb1 (4492) | ||
| 294169 | 2004-11-21 07:43:00 | > ALMOST????????????????????????????????????? > > Longhorn is bloat, on bloat (XP), on bloat (Not so > bad 2K),on stolen(Partly) bloat (NT), on bloat > (98SE), Ect Ect. Are you sure NT was build upon Win98? IIRC, NT4 was released before Win98 was..... > All the way back to the arguments around "stolen" > Computer time, and QDOS. Which is the origin of M/S. Ah yes..... > The original faulted base, and the core of the > problem. Gotta get the foundations for the building right, otherwise the tower will colapse > The house of Microsoft has been built on an unstable > Island in a Tidal Esturay Swamp. > > The pilings are rotting. > > If New pilings are put in solid high ground. Skilled > New Zealand house movers may be able to save the > House of Microsoft. Thats a lot of work and a lot of extra bloody work around the sides of it to fix it up, making it much larger than it need be though ;-) > (Yes New Zealanders did pioneer house moving in its > modern forms). > > D. |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 294170 | 2004-11-21 09:42:00 | Yeah, I too think NT was realeased before 98, can't remember who's, but it wasn't based on original MS IP. Murray P |
Murray P (44) | ||
| 294171 | 2004-11-21 10:27:00 | Untill the gaming community swtiches I'll be with microsoft :) | Raikyn (6293) | ||
| 294172 | 2004-11-21 11:37:00 | transgaming.com is your friend. | Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
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