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295173	2004-11-22 23:25:00	howdy, i just got the yoper cds from Murray P (thanks :D) and now im trying to install it but i seem to be a tad stuck, everything loads fine and no errors.it asks for me to partion my hard drive and it opens this window. now i have no idea on how to partion my 40gig hdd which has windows xp home on it. can someone please give me a step by step how to?? because im a newbie to this linux. its most likey dead simple but i just dont wanna loose my xp os TIA:D	Prescott (11)
295174	2004-11-23 06:13:00	OK, so you have backed up your XP stuff and made sure the hard drive has been fully defragged first? The partitioning tool is called QTParted which is that window that opens up. On the left hand side you will see your hard drive listed as hda1 Info for example: hd = hard drive a = first IDE device b = second IDE device 1 = first partition on a physical HDD 2 = second partition on a physical HDD and so on ... So, hda1 means first IDE device (your master HDD) and first (or only) partition. hdb3 means the third partition on the second IDE device (slave HDD) for example. Click on the hda1 and on the right you will see a graphical display of your hard drive. If you right-click on the coloured bar representing your drive, you will get an option to resize. Selecting resize, you can use your mouse to drag the arrow back towards the left, thus reducing the size of the XP disk allowance and until have created enough free space for Yoper (~ 5 gigs min) Example of resizing (qtparted.sourceforge.net) Next you will need to create two partitions within the new free space for / (root) using ext3 as a file format, and a partition for swap (make this twice your installed RAM if you have less than 512 MB of RAM, or just make it a maximum of 512 MB if you have 512 or more of RAM installed) [note: I know from your previous posts that you don't have too much space to free up, so we are going to keep your swap to a minimum]. Right click the new partition and use the right context menu to perform these tasks. So new partitions to create: SWAP - 512 MB in size (this will be automatically formatted as swap) / (root) remainder of free space ~4.5 gigs - formatted as ext3 for simplicity at this stage. You should see your XP NTFS partition listed as hda1, swap as hda2 and / as hda3 To commit these changes to your hard drive (point of no return), look under Device in the menu bar for Commit. You will be asked to select / and swap if I remember correctly (memory a bit hazy here), so just follow your nose if my instructions aren't quite right. If you get asked for a "home" partition, just click cancel. That should hopefully do it. Someone who has more recently installed Yoper might be able to clarify my instructions if I have got the order of prompts wrong with the installer. Good luck. :)	Jen C (20)
295175	2004-11-23 06:36:00	Yep, right you are Jen :-) I would however be inclined to make / first and simply put the SWAP partition at the end of the HDD. You want faster access to apps on your HDD, and seeing as Swap is already slow (Ive only had my swap partition used four or five times since I got my laptop months back). Make / Ext3 during partitioning but when it asks you later what you want to format it as, I would be inclined to choose Reiser4 which is namesys new "unbreakable / High-performance" filesystem. It rocks! Jen is right too, first you'll be asked to select a /home partition (Make sure you read the on-screen text carefully) - Select Cancel for that. Just make sure you select Lilo (Not GRUB) as your Boot Loader. You should be fine - If this doesnt make sense now, it will during install :-) Cheers Chill.	Chilling_Silence (9)
295176	2004-11-23 06:52:00	> Just make sure you select Lilo (Not GRUB) as your > Boot Loader. Just out of interest, why do you say that, Chill? Why not use grub? Catweazle	Catweazle (2535)
295177	2004-11-23 06:54:00	GrUB in Yoper doesnt have Reiser4 support. Its for this reason that when doing Gentoo installs I make a 100mb ext2 /boot partition with just the kernel. Im not a Lilo fan, I'd rather GrUB any day - But sacrificies must be made for using somebody elses binaries. Perhaps in the next Yoper they'll include the GrUB with the reiser4 patch :-) Why not email Andreas and suggest it, or check the Yoper Forums	Chilling_Silence (9)
295178	2004-11-23 07:22:00	Ah, Ok . Hehe, that's a pretty good reason . I didn't have that issue since I chickened out and stuck with ext3 (with LILO) . I asked because I've had a few hassles with grub trashing boot sectors, with distros that use it by default . As for the forum, I wish . . . It's been down for quite a while now . I hope they get their servers sorted soon . Catweazle	Catweazle (2535)
295179	2004-11-23 08:46:00	Just to add to what Jen and Chill have said, it's all right click context menu either, on the bar graphic that represents your disk(s) or on the disk in the right hand pane tree view. You can also use the main menu's across the top left of the main window, If I remember rightly, thats where the Commit Changes button is. Murray P	Murray P (44)
295180	2004-11-23 11:30:00	This may sound like blasphemy because I am going against what Chill has said but remember that the edge of the disk platters spin faster than the center therefore it is best to put the swap partition near the edge and partitions that are written to rarely (comapred to swap) such as /usr and /home should be put towards the center. A good partitioning scheme to follow is (in order from edge of disk): / swap /var /tmp /usr /home (if it is not under /usr) You would have to fit your XP partition in their somewhere too. Some of these would have to extended partitions; make sure that / and swap are primary partitions.	Caesius (3758)
295181	2004-11-23 14:54:00	Yoper wont let you mount anything but /, /home and SWAP. I find with Gentoo its just too much hassle creating /var (As all apps get compiled in there), /usr (portage and the distfiles go in there as well as my current 5 kernel sources installed) and /tmp?! I know that I was taught to do those coming from a redhat install begining, but there's precious little point unless you're running a production server with the possiblity that somebody might start adding entries into a database in /var, and you want it to be able to write to users /home etc..... ....Otherwise its just waste of space because you'll never get it quite as perfect as having it all on / ;-)	Chilling_Silence (9)
295182	2004-11-23 17:15:00	> A good partitioning scheme to > follow is (in order from edge of disk): > / > swap > /var > /tmp > /usr > /home (if it is not under /usr) Don't forget one important thing. For new users to Linux, it is best to keep things very simple for starters. Experienced users can separate out / to separate partitions if they prefer once they know what their system works best with. A newbie has no idea what /var or /usr is so these choices would just confuse at this stage. Prescott especially has limited disk space available, so a basic / and swap partition only will suit him fine for Yoper. :)	Jen C (20)
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