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1375277	2014-05-19 22:27:00	Hi I downloaded Update 1 for Windows 8.1. My normal day to day user account is a standard limited account. Whenever I need to do something that requires administrative access, I need to enter my password. However since installing Update 1, I now need to enter the admin password twice before anything happens; ie 1. Do action that will prompt for admin password. 2. I enter admin password 3. Nothing happens. 4. I do action again that will prompt for admin password 5. The admin action happens. The past three days I did a refresh and reverted my computer back to windows 8 to try fix it. I installed 8.1 and it came with update 1 and the problem is back again. How can I fix this? I have updated the drivers and get it back to the state it was before.	utopian201 (6245)
1375278	2014-05-19 22:41:00	If you're the only one using the account, change it to a Admin Account instead of the limited Standard. Unless you dont trust yourself to install something dodgy ;)	wainuitech (129)
1375279	2014-05-19 22:45:00	An admin account should never be used as a normal day to day account; that would be akin to logging in as root and using that day to day in linux. User account control (when logged in as admin) is not a security boundary. The problem is not needing to enter in a password; the problem is needing to enter in a password twice. It is as if Windows ignores the first attempt to enter the password.	utopian201 (6245)
1375280	2014-05-19 22:56:00	An admin account should never be used as a normal day to day account; that would be akin to logging in as root and using that day to day in linux. This is Win, not Lin. There's really no need for that level of paranoia , and its no real protection against hackers or malware anyway (seen it) . Using an admin level a/c is perfectly fine for 90% of Win users. Restricted a/cs are only really of use to keep young kids under control .	1101 (13337)
1375281	2014-05-19 23:30:00	This is Win, not Lin. There's really no need for that level of paranoia , and its no real protection against hackers or malware anyway (seen it) . Using an admin level a/c is perfectly fine for 90% of Win users. Restricted a/cs are only really of use to keep young kids under control . Exactly :thumbs: The amount of Windows computers I've seen with Limited accounts and still riddled with infections is amazing. All the standard account does (in simple terms) is stop the user doing certain functions like installing software. Malware etc does give a hoot if the account is Admin or standard. An admin account should never be used as a normal day to day account; that would be akin to logging in as root and using that day to day in linux. If the person is the only one using or have access the computer that doesn't wash either. Its a PITA to enter passwords all the time. Mind you if a person doesn't trust themselves then guess these no hope anyway. Password protect with a screen saver by all means.	wainuitech (129)
1375282	2014-05-19 23:41:00	Are there any other solutions other than changing my account to an admin? A limit account stops the installation of some software as you said. Any infections that get installed under a limited account will only affect the account it is installed under and cannot change the operating system or other accounts unless it uses a privilege escalation exploit.	utopian201 (6245)
1375283	2014-05-20 00:06:00	Any infections that get installed under a limited account will only affect the account it is installed under and cannot change the operating system or other accounts unless it uses a privilege escalation exploit. No really true. Ive seen a Win SERVER that was hacked via (limited) user a/c's with bad passwords . It was turned into a spammer, via the limited a/c. Options are, leave the PC as is & keep entering passwords when prompted or use admin rights & turn off the (useless) UAC It sounds like you're on the ball anyway. Just use admin a/c & common sense & you'll be fine.	1101 (13337)
1375284	2014-05-20 00:12:00	... Options are, leave the PC as is & keep entering passwords when prompted ... Entering passwords is not the problem, its that I have to now enter them *twice* per single action since upgrading to Windows 8.1 Update 1. Before the update I only had to enter them once which was fine. I take it then no one else has seen this behaviour, or have a solution? Don't want to beat a dead horse because it is not the topic of my question, but if I understand you correctly, the server was hacked because the limited user had a weak password. This was not a weakness in the operating system; the spam server software would not have been able to entrench itself into the OS, disable elevated software (eg antivirus, firewall etc) or start itself up when other users logged in for example. It only would have been able to make itself startup on the affected user's account, not another account unless it had a privilege escalation exploit. I work in IT security and would never advise users run their day to day account as root under any operating system whether it is linux or windows.	utopian201 (6245)
1375285	2014-05-20 00:24:00	Did you try to install the upgrade while on the standard account ? If so even if you told it to use a Admin account something may have gone wrong due to the fact it was on a standard Account . An upgrade like that will normally require FULL access to the whole system, including all permissions since its making a huge change to the OS . During the install it may have needed admin permissions, BUT couldn't prompt or get them . Edited: yep - FULL admin account required: windows-81-you-need-account-with-admin . html ( . blogspot . co . nz/2014/01/windows-81-you-need-account-with-admin . html" target="_blank">keyliner . blogspot . co . nz) Theres been countless times even when trying to do something with "Admin rights", it wont work - Full Admin account is needed .	wainuitech (129)
1375286	2014-05-20 00:32:00	Yes I logged into my actual admin account to install the update.	utopian201 (6245)
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