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| Thread ID: 51706 | 2004-11-28 04:56:00 | Video card purchase - X800 Pro? | E|im (87) | Press F1 |
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| 297148 | 2004-11-28 04:56:00 | Hi I'm after a new and powerful video card to power my LCD monitor in games with lots of AA and AF enabled. AGP 8x needed and I've got about $800~ to spend. Prefer not to spend that much if something can be bought for cheaper. I've been looking at the X800 Pro Vivo in particular as they are soft-moddable (forums.overclockers.com.au) to gain the full 16 pipelines and very overclockable to XT PE speeds if you get ones with the Samsung 1.6ns RAM. I think most of the X800 Pro Vivos run the memory at 900Mhz but use the same memory as the XT versions which are rated at 1200 mhz. So far by looking up reviews I've found these cards that have the Samsung memory rated at 1200mhz: Gigabyte x800 Pro Vivo HIS Excaliber x800 Pro Vivo Asus X800 Pro Vivo Any others out there? Apparently all the Gigabyte ones have been sold out in New Zealand and I need a new card pretty quick. The Gigabyte ones are particularly good because they come with 16 pipelines enabled out of the box like the XTs and don't require flashing. What do some of the video experts think about such cards? Worth it or should I be looking at the 6800gt line or similiar? Thanks ;) |
E|im (87) | ||
| 297149 | 2004-11-28 07:39:00 | *bump* | E|im (87) | ||
| 297150 | 2004-11-28 07:48:00 | I thought the Radeon X series was made for PCI-Express. I don't understand how this links for what you said in that it needs to be AGP 8x ?:| |
~~~~~ s y ~~~~~ (2054) | ||
| 297151 | 2004-11-28 07:56:00 | Plenty of AGP 8x varieties of the card (www.pricespy.co.nz). | E|im (87) | ||
| 297152 | 2004-11-28 08:23:00 | > I thought the Radeon X series was made for > PCI-Express. I don't understand how this links for > what you said in that it needs to be AGP 8x They also came out on AGP 8x, because the only people that would have a motherboard that has PCI-Express, like intel and are stupid. That would mean that all AMD fans would be left out, because AMD are smart and realise there is no need for PCI-X and we are only starting to find the true limits of AGP-4x. So obviously ATI brought the X800s out on AGP-8X aswell (pci-x and intel suck) (agp and amd rock) What I really don't understand is why 'they' didn't make pci-x backwards compatible with the old pci. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!??????????? |
crazy monkey (6347) | ||
| 297153 | 2004-11-28 08:32:00 | PCI-X is a completely different server technology. For PCI-Express you can say PCI-e or PCI Express. Don't confuse the two. ;) > (pci-x and intel suck) > (agp and amd rock) PCI-e is coming to AMD as well on the Nforce4 boards. This means you can run dual video cards in the machine to increase the performance. PCI-e still sucks? |
E|im (87) | ||
| 297154 | 2004-11-28 09:31:00 | my bad..... PCI-e is still not nessicary right now. Although it might become nessicary in the future, I think that the bottle neack then will be the card's size and opperating tamp (not to mention power consumption). The thing that really gets me, is why they didn't make it compatable with AGP-8x (ie AGP cards will work in PCI-e slots) this would save the hastle of buying a new graphics card, just because you got a new mobo. The problem with having both PCI-e and AGP on the same motherboard is that the brige chipset slows PCI-e down, slower than AGP-8X, which contridicts the whole point of PCI-e. Good luck with the X800 pro. I say go for the one that has all the pipeline enabled already - that way you don't void your warranty strait away. the only problem that might be a problem is that 'they' might have disabled something else to stop heat dammage? I dunno. Good gaming. :D ;) |
crazy monkey (6347) | ||
| 297155 | 2004-11-28 10:25:00 | > The thing that really gets me, is why they didn't > make it compatable with AGP-8x (ie AGP cards will > work in PCI-e slots) this would save the hastle of > buying a new graphics card, just because you got a > new mobo. The same reason why the don't make Falcons that take Perfect engines. Progress!! Why cripple something by making it compatible with something else. It may not be taking off yet but will do in the future and they will wonder why they ever used AGP 8x |
Big John (551) | ||
| 297156 | 2004-11-28 19:45:00 | > PCI-e is still not nessicary right now. Although it > might become nessicary in the future, I think that > the bottle neack then will be the card's size and > opperating tamp (not to mention power consumption). PCI-e isnt just for video cards, the new slightly slower PCIe 1x slots were needed, due to the design of the older PCI interface the same bandwidth was share over all the PCI slots. Gigabit ethernet controllers and RAID controller were easily capable of using all the PCI bandwidth made avaliable. Perhaps you havent noticed but if you were to benchmark a gigabit ethernet card that used the PCI bus againist one that has its own bus (such as intel implementation with the CSA bus) the ethernet controller with its own bus will completely destroy the one using the PCI bus. > The problem with having both PCI-e and AGP on the > same motherboard is that the brige chipset slows > PCI-e down, slower than AGP-8X, which contridicts the > whole point of PCI-e. The only motherboard that have both PEG and AGP slots are made by ECS and Gigabyte, both ECS and Gigabyte mearly stick a physical AGP slot on the PCI bus. Theres no bridge chip used at all, AGP performance sucks because the PCI simply cannot supply enough bandwidth. The PEG slot performs aswell as any other PEG slot. |
Pete O'Neil (250) | ||
| 297157 | 2004-11-28 21:22:00 | What's your verdict on the card to buy Pete? | E|im (87) | ||
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