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Thread ID: 51843 2004-12-01 07:37:00 The begining of the Compaign for Copyright Fairness? Captive (3159) Press F1
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298605 2004-12-03 00:55:00 In a USA court of law, it was questioned how it was to be determined if this was wrong, it was stated the court did not have the decision to decide this but 'senate'

senate [group] n. assembly possessing high legislative powers

Consider that laws will evolve and change as they do.

When laws become maybe irrepresentative of real scenarios they will be modified to reflect changes that exist, or issues which need to be dealt with i would assume. I am by no means a politician though.
Captive (3159)
298606 2004-12-03 00:58:00 It is also not guaranteed that in every instance money will be lost.

If people were to make a VHS of a TV program, does that mean the movie companies lost $30.00 because its gauranteed they would have bought it? be very clear here, does it --guarantee-- that?

then beyond that there is to consider what is in the best interest of society, what will produce the most gain. The laws are to serve the nation and the populace in its overall functioning.

This issue has only just begun, i would reckon that as computer usage and various people become more intune with the issue this will become an every increasing political issue
Captive (3159)
298607 2004-12-03 01:00:00 legislature [group] n. persons who make or amend or repeal laws

....and i would assume this is something they may do often.
Captive (3159)
298608 2004-12-03 01:02:00 Right now there will be so much support, as computer usage increases, as seems statistically probable the 'voting majority' may have issues they want to be seen debated in politics like i am highlighting. So whether this issue is now or in 5-10 years it seems it will have an increasing role now and in the future. Captive (3159)
298609 2004-12-03 01:04:00 The knowledge of the past evolves to the knowledge of the future, not everyone evolves at the same time or the same way, but through increased iterations people may increase their knowledge and it seems that perception may also increase with time, as this occurs it seems that people will become aware of new thoughts of how instances of life should and changes may occur. Captive (3159)
298610 2004-12-03 01:17:00 We've already agreed that money has not been lost. I don't even think that losing money is the issue anyway.

Actually, this mass acceptance of lower moral standards is just another indication of "the unravelling of the moral fabric of society".

50 years ago a girl that had a child out of wedlock would have been shunned by society.
50 years ago a bloke caught in bed with another bloke would have been shunned by society.
50 years ago a someone who illegally used something the did not own would have been shunned by society.
There was even a time when a murderer would have been hanged here in NZ.

So this is just a continuation of the trend. I not judging whether it's right ot wrong. It amazes me that most people wouldn't consider stealling from a shop or someones house, but they're content to copy a CD even though they know that it's wrong. Some people dress it up to make them look or feel better about it, but it's morally accepted that if there is usually a charge for something, and you deliberately avoid paying then you're in the wrong.
Spout (6433)
298611 2004-12-03 01:23:00 Okay spout your highlight examples you want to, fair enough

Spout do you reckon that if someone copies a program to VHS, maybe to watch later, which in various is not supported by copyright law, is wrong?

What if i named 3 educational facilities, which i could, that tried to further education by using training material, To produce more gains for society, maybe not in someones pocket but to make a society more able to perform better for itself... What is better: A person wallet or the functioning of societies ability to perform? please answer with those two specifics: is it better for the persons wallet or societies ability to perform.

Thank you for messaging me, i mean part of this is that the idea has to be discussed, i guess like it would in parliment, but then there debates could be quite different to ours i would guess, although i cannot gaurantee that
Captive (3159)
298612 2004-12-03 01:38:00 Also again, in a democracy i would assume society makes the laws/lawmakers to determine what they think should be right, and this may change over time, in the instances where you highlight examples of things which some may correlate negatively but if you were to try and show disaccceptance that would be a good example, if i was to highlight more education, better worth of New Zealander's to better perform jobs then i guess that would be another consideratoin to be made. Captive (3159)
298613 2004-12-03 02:02:00 Not complying to one person or a group of persons 'Moral Standard' when analysed may actually be complying to a group of others 'Moral Standards' which is how the laws may partly be determined, this may change over time .

Please focus on this issue also and not examples outside of Copyright, as this topic and issue i wish to raise is in regards to the copyright issue and its application . If you have other issues you wish to discuss, then there is the option to start other threads for such a discussion .
Captive (3159)
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