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Thread ID: 52125	2004-12-10 06:02:00	WFTWE #132....Eleutheromania....A little something for Ahmed Zaoui...	Billy T (70)	Press F1

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301651	2004-12-11 01:54:00	With respect, the Zaoui issue is far greater than the man himself. As an individual he has certainly been afforded rights and benefits in New Zealand which do not exist in many countries. Nevertheless, forget about the man himself. We live in a privileged, open, free society. If we are to retain our social integrity, we must test our processes against the way we treat the week and unfortunate - prisoners, children, elderly, and indeed, animals. Our judicial system does not lock people up for two years without a charge. But the Prime Minister can. So the process is flawed and needs to be fixed. No-one should be imprisoned for so long without a trial or at least bail. The importance of Zaoui is that the process has been tested and found wanting. Forget about the man.	Winston001 (3612)
301652	2004-12-11 02:12:00	For those interested, the Refugee Appeal Authority issued a decision last year in favour of Zaoui. This was a carefully considered, lengthy judicial decision and bears reading. Furthermore it was referred to the Belgium and French governments for comment (because it was critical) and they did not provide any counter arguments or further evidence. http://www.nzrefugeeappeals.govt.nz/ Search for Zaoui - can't seem to link to the actual decision but it is there. Don't get me wrong - the guy might eat your kids for breakfast. And he's a queue jumper. The Auckland Islands might provide a good spot for Algerian tranquility and introspection.	Winston001 (3612)
301653	2004-12-11 02:23:00	>>2 years remanded without trial for WHATEVER reason is a very dangerous precedent to set, and therefore needs to be challenged, "Whatever" - yes I do agree, however in this instance there was a valid reason for ensuring that NZ's security was not violated . >>Also, i am assuming that you have never been in such a circumstance yourself . Jail is not how you describe it . One is not free within those walls . Its a matter of dealing with extremes of boredom while on some level, always watching ones own back, after all, the jails have some of the country's worst nutters living in them . Never had the pleasure fortunately . However extremes of boredom, watching your own back, living in the same area as "nutters" [don't like that word, is also used against the mentally disabled] is experienced outside of the jails as well . People who end up going to jail often find people just like themselves in there as well . Shouldn't be too much of a problem . Totally agree with the stupidity in our procedures though .	pulling hair out (4493)
301654	2004-12-11 02:25:00	Remember that the only proven, terrorist action in NZ causing death was committed by employees of a French "Security" organisation . The investigation which resulted in the conviction of the terrorists was not carried out by the NZ SIS . The French security mob is one of those who have been presenting "evidence against Zaoui . They may have some bias against hinm because he is an Algerian . Algeria was a French colony, and the events which led to the French leaving were not very creditable to either the French government, the French colonists, the French army, or the Algerian nationalists . Zaoui came here as a political refugee . Lack of documents is a common thing in political refugee cases . This is recognised by the UN Convention on Refugees (to which NZ is a signatory) . This case is suspiciously like a case of the SIS saying "Look at us, we're successful and deserve all the money we get . We've caught a terrorist . " .	Graham L (2)
301655	2004-12-11 02:27:00	>>Woah . . . never thought I'd agree with you on something . Kudos . Yes, that could be considered a worrying thought! :^O	pulling hair out (4493)
301656	2004-12-11 03:35:00	I have had the misfortune of going to Auckland Islands 4 times. The only thing to do is night clubbing (seals). I agree it would be a good place for all refugees to nz to live. They used a small island off Enderby island called shoe island as a jail. tedheath	tedheath (537)
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