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Thread ID: 52125	2004-12-10 06:02:00	WFTWE #132....Eleutheromania....A little something for Ahmed Zaoui...	Billy T (70)	Press F1

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301641	2004-12-10 09:58:00	> > well.....unlike some i don't change my user name > with the weather.... > > > At another forum i posted at they would punish > people by lowering their post count......Lmao,never > did see the sence in it > > :^O :^O Actually, I go by the lunar cycles. lol!	stu120404 (268)
301642	2004-12-10 11:36:00	> But he has jumped the refugee queue. and that is plainly wrong. Apparently > Australia has set up a resort for such people on Nuie. Decent chaps the > Occers. So off he should go. I hope not, isn't Niue that little nowhere country that declared itself quasi independent yet we completely support it? > We have to put something of interest in these > threads..... I concur.	ninja (1671)
301643	2004-12-10 18:06:00	Eleutheromania A strong desire for freedom Cool word Billy T.... Let me assure people... you just don't appreciate your freedom till you lose it! And nomatter what Ahmed did or didn't do... 2 years is a bloody long time to stuff about remanded @ her majestys pleasure....... :-) Chris	personthingy (1670)
301644	2004-12-10 19:34:00	> We have to put something of interest in these > threads..... Actually metla, while I suspect you perhaps intended a slightly different meaning, I do agree with you. Bear in mind that WFTWE is intended only for light entertainment, and occasionally perhaps as an etymological teaser. I find the meanderings and diversions it takes intriguing and often enlightening though, as different individuals express varied and sometimes totally unrelated views. That is why, whenever I can, I try to make it topical. I also find it mildy amusing that some take all it so personally or seriously. Nobody has to read it if they don't want to, and I certainly don't read every post on PF1, or comment on every post I read that I disagree with or even object to. Life is too short for such intensity of feeling over something as transient as a forum post. Re Ahmed Zhaoui, personally I am unconvinced of his bona fides, but I do believe that two years without trial is unacceptable. The SIS should either put up or shut up. Cheers Billy 8-{) :|	Billy T (70)
301645	2004-12-10 19:49:00	So billy.... are you going to do something equivalent to WFTWE? Ive enjoyed the phenomena for so long now, it would be a shame to see it stop altogether! And yeah.. ain't it fun watching people fight over something as trivial as a forum post! :-) Chris	personthingy (1670)
301646	2004-12-10 21:01:00	Never fear Chris :O WFTWE will continue as normal, I haven't run out of words yet. I did think about stopping at #100 but was prevailed upon to continue, so the next milestone will be #200. I will consider my options when I get into the 190's. Besides, I enjoy doing it. ;) Cheers Billy 8-{) :D	Billy T (70)
301647	2004-12-10 22:28:00	>>Let me assure people... you just don't appreciate your freedom till you lose it! >>And nomatter what Ahmed did or didn't do... 2 years is a bloody long time to stuff >>about remanded @ her majestys pleasure....... At least he had 3 meals a day, free medical and dental service, a roof over his head, educational services eg., could get training and qualifications in new fields, a lawyer and the media at his beck and call. There are NZ'ers who don't have those benefits. Will his avid defenders now devote all that free time to open their eyes to what is going on around them? The physically and mentally disabled do not have the freedom this man has had. They can never be really be free. Noone is really free, they just think they are. He chose to enter NZ illegally knowing full well what could happen. He is not stupid. He is probably is now getting free accomodation and food from the people looking after him now. His lawyer is now asking NZ'ers to provide him with clothing as well. Forgive me for not feeling an ounce of sorrow for the man. He was kept in jail because he was a security risk to all NZ'ers. He did not have a trial because there difficulty in getting information that showed he would not be a risk. I am pleased that the Government took a responsible attitude, and cannot understand why we are being asked to 'bleed' for this man.	pulling hair out (4493)
301648	2004-12-10 22:51:00	He was a terrorist in Algeria end of story. Now we have given refuge to a terrorist simple as that. TEDHEATH	tedheath (537)
301649	2004-12-10 23:04:00	pulling hair out . . . While i see your point, i think that 2 years remanded without trial for WHATEVER reason is a very dangerous precedent to set, and therefore needs to be challenged, A year remanded is no longer uncommon under the NZ legal system . People usually plead guilty in hope that it will be over with sooner . Also, i am assuming that you have never been in such a circumstance yourself . Jail is not how you describe it . One is not free within those walls . Its a matter of dealing with extremes of boredom while on some level, always watching ones own back, after all, the jails have some of the country's worst nutters living in them . Mt Eden jail is nothing less than a glorified dungeon . No matter what this man is accused of, 2 years remains a very long time to keep someone without trial, particularly when the powers that accuse are refusing, for whatever reasons to substantiate their claims . As said by others on this thread, it would have been a much simpler solution to simply turn him around at the airport . The fact that it has come as far as it has shows that there is a gross stupidity in our procedures (surprise!!!!) :| Chris	personthingy (1670)
301650	2004-12-11 00:02:00	> At least he had 3 meals a day, free medical and > dental service, a roof over his head, educational > services eg., could get training and qualifications > in new fields, a lawyer and the media at his beck and > call. > > There are NZ'ers who don't have those benefits. Will > his avid defenders now devote all that free time to > open their eyes to what is going on around them? The > physically and mentally disabled do not have the > freedom this man has had. They can never be really be > free. Noone is really free, they just think they > are. > > He chose to enter NZ illegally knowing full well what > could happen. He is not stupid. He is probably is now > getting free accomodation and food from the people > looking after him now. His lawyer is now asking > NZ'ers to provide him with clothing as well. Forgive > me for not feeling an ounce of sorrow for the man. > > He was kept in jail because he was a security risk to > all NZ'ers. > He did not have a trial because there difficulty in > getting information that showed he would not be a > risk. > I am pleased that the Government took a responsible > attitude, and cannot understand why we are being > asked to 'bleed' for this man. Woah... never thought I'd agree with you on something. Kudos.	ninja (1671)
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